Where does bible say: "the lion shall lie down wit

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

WOW!

Ok, please explain what that scripture is talking about.

Notice the context Paul is using when he spoke of dying daily.

1 Cor 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

The subject is resurrection. In verse 29 Paul asks if there is no resurrection then why are people getting baptized.

Then he ask another question for those who think there is no resurrection. And this is where that verse comes into play.

Why are preachers like Paul standing in jeopardy, risking their necks, every hour if there is no resurrection?. And in that point, he then says he dies daily. And how does he die daily? Its' related to standing in jeopardy very hour, but he actually notes how he dies daily in the next verse. Verse 32 says he fought with beasts at Ephesus.

So sandwiched between stating he stood in jeopardy every hour and fighting with beasts at Ephesus, Paul says He died daily. The dying daily is the jeopardy he put his life in everyday he got up to preach, knowing full well THAT MIGHT BE THE DAY HE DIES. It's a manner of speaking the idea that he accepted the fact he could die each day he proceeded to minister.

He actually used the same kind of language in 2 Cor 4.

2 Cor 5:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

Notice he called the tribulations and persecution to be the experience of bearing in his body the DYING of Jesus. He said he was delivered to death for the Lord's sake by experiencing the troubles he faced as a preacher.

THAT is what he meant by dying daily in 1 Cor 15.

He meant that if there was no resurrection, then he would not die daily... in other words, he would not risk his neck by preaching, knowing he could be killed for it, and he eventually was! If there was no resurrection and hope after this life, then he would treat this life so preciously he would not risk a cell in his body. But he knew this life is not the deal! And he did not care if he would die, since HE REALLY believed in the next life. You do not do that if you don't really believe in a resurrection.

So, the jeopardy they faced every hour was the daily dying he spoke about.

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Here's another one. The verse that says eye has not seen nor ear heard IS NOT talking about what it will be like in Heaven!

Notice:

1 Cor 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

It's easy to think of Heaven by picking that verse out and not reading everything else around it. That's because we think of the place Jesus went to prepare for us, and always think that means heaven everywhere it mentions God preparing for us.

But when you look at the context it first says in verse 8 that the princes of the this world would never have crucified Jesus if they knew HIDDEN WISDOM that was prepared before the world.

HIDDEN WISDOM is what eye has not seen nor ear heard!

And after verse 9 quotes scripture from the old testament (when things were still hidden), verse 10 says BUT GOD HATH REVEALED THEM UNTO US! The things eye and ear could never receive HAVE BEEN REVEALED to us in the New Covenant! And God's Spirit revealed them to us!

How could it be talking about heaven, that you and I never could see yet (!), when the very next verse says God revealed those things to us by His Spirit?

[Evang.Benincasa]

I have heard many times that there was a rope tied around the high priest's waist to drag him out if he died?

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I have heard many times that there was a rope tied around the high priest's waist to drag him out if he died?

Me, too. Then a preacher challenged me to find it in the bible, and told me the high priest actually had to have nothing except white linen on when he went into the holiest.

The LEGEND (which is all that rope idea was) was based upon the theory that the bells around the priest's hem would ring to inform them he was still alive after going into the holiest past the veil. Since no one else could go past the veil, if he died in their due to not being holy enough, they had to drag him out by the rope. But the bells weren't even on his person when he went in there, since all of that was removed and only the white linen was left on him when he went in.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Me, too. Then a preacher challenged me to find it in the bible, and told me the high priest actually had to have nothing except white linen on when he went into the holiest.

The LEGEND (which is all that rope idea was) was based upon the theory that the bells around the priest's hem would ring to inform them he was still alive after going into the holiest past the veil. Since no one else could go past the veil, if he died in their due to not being holy enough, they had to drag him out by the rope. But the bells weren't even on his person when he went in there, since all of that was removed and only the white linen was left on him when he went in.

Amen

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Me, too. Then a preacher challenged me to find it in the bible, and told me the high priest actually had to have nothing except white linen on when he went into the holiest.

The LEGEND (which is all that rope idea was) was based upon the theory that the bells around the priest's hem would ring to inform them he was still alive after going into the holiest past the veil. Since no one else could go past the veil, if he died in their due to not being holy enough, they had to drag him out by the rope. But the bells weren't even on his person when he went in there, since all of that was removed and only the white linen was left on him when he went in.

See, this is what gets me. Here we are told and taught "no one but the high priest could enter the Holy of Holies but once a year", and I'm like: the Israelites took the entire tabernacle apart and carried the pieces individually, from place to place, including the curtains that created the Holy of Holies, and the ark, with the mercyseat, and the metal brackets, and the sockets, and the boards that made up the wall, and the animal skins that made the ceiling over the ark, and the...etc.

So, who went into the Holy of Holies to take the Holy of Holies apart so they could move on down the road?

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

See, this is what gets me. Here we are told and taught "no one but the high priest could enter the Holy of Holies but once a year", and I'm like: the Israelites took the entire tabernacle apart and carried the pieces individually, from place to place, including the curtains that created the Holy of Holies, and the ark, with the mercyseat, and the metal brackets, and the sockets, and the boards that made up the wall, and the animal skins that made the ceiling over the ark, and the...etc.

So, who went into the Holy of Holies to take the Holy of Holies apart so they could move on down the road?

We only have this:

Numbers 4:5-6 And when the camp setteth forward, Aaron shall come, and his sons, and they shall take down the covering vail, and cover the ark of testimony with it: (6) And shall put thereon the covering of badgers' skins, and shall spread over it a cloth wholly of blue, and shall put in the staves thereof.

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Torrey noted this in his TSK:

Aaron shall come: The law prohibiting any person, except the high priest on one day in the year, to enter into the most holy place, must have admitted an exception while the Israelites were in the wilderness. That exception, therefore, is here expressly made; and the directions given respecting it must be religiously observed, or the service could not be safely performed. While the cloud rested on the tabernacle, the general rule was in force; but when it was removed, then the priests might enter to prepare the sacred vessels for removal. Num_4:15, Num_3:27-32

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And Gill:

Now though the high priest himself might not go into the most holy place but once a year, on the day of atonement, yet on this occasion, when the tabernacle was to be taken down, and the things in it to be removed, both he and his sons might enter without danger; since, as Bishop Patrick observes, the divine Majesty was gone from thence in the cloud which gave the signal for the motion of the camp, and the taking down of the tabernacle.

[RachelRose]

Originally Posted by n david

No, I heard the phrase growing up. But the phrase is not in the Bible. The verse Amanah posted is the closest the Bible comes, but even in that verse:

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."

A kid is a young goat.