Ruth Heflin

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My brother, the point isn't that Ruth was a prosperity teacher. I don't think I brought that up in any of my postings.

I had a great sister in our church family ( now who has passed away) who knew RH lived and worked at the Heflin's campground. I was told not about prosperity, but about strange teachings which the Heflin Ward group taught. The dear sister who use to be with us came to understand Bible truth, and when she did she understood that a lion share of her life was lost because she was lured off the path.

In 2nd Peter 2:1-2 is explicit we as ministers need to consider these words. I hate seeing people jerked around. Having their lives flipped upside down due to some self aggrandizing so called prophet. I believe you know me enough that if she was Oneness and carrying on the way she did I would still call a spade a spade.

Love you my brother, that is just my side of this subject.

But of course my brother, that is the difference between me and others, I just move on and leave things go after voicing my opinion.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

But because in my opinion, because they are oneness they get a get out of jail free card by most on here.

Do you think I give oneness a get out of jail free card?

While I'm Apostolic to the bone, and believe that the Trinitarian movement is just too far down the rabbit hole. I still believe incorrect is incorrect and anathema isn't something I want. Paul was explicit in his epistles to Galatia and Corinth. In his first letter to the Corinthian church he admonished them to stay on the same page, and all speak the same thing. In his second letter in chapter 11 he warns the same church of accepting not only another Jesus, another gospel, but another spirit as well. He told the Galatians that not only they were being bewitched but they were in danger of anathema. You wish you never were brought to a One God Pentecostal church? I thank God I found the One God Apostolic movement. Because it is in that movement I was shown that Acts 2:38 was the starting blocks. That you needed to study the Bible, write it completely down at least once, and pray it in. I found the world of a prayer room, and the need of being filled with the Holy Ghost. Assembly of God was too much swaying to the music, Baptists were too comatose, and Catholicism was too Rabbinical. I'll never ever forget Elder J. T. Bass of Ocala, Florida preaching at Elder Billie Adams' church. I was sitting on the platform, Elder Bass was preaching. He kept saying more than once "we teach this book, chapter, and verse" That was music to my ears. Oh, I have heard it before that night, but when he said it and the way he put it, it was powerful.

I make that my song, and I sing it to the church family.

The watchmen stands on the wall and is supposed to sound the alarm if trouble is brewing. False doctrine never gets a pass, whether it is out of an Apostolic mouth, out of a Trinitarian mouth or an Angel from heaven's mouth.

[Sherri]

All I'm going to say is this--
Some day I think you will be surprised to find out that the Kingdom of God is made up of way more than oneness Pentecostals.
And for that I'm thankful! I trust that He is way more merciful than any of us.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Sherri

All I'm going to say is this--
Some day I think you will be surprised to find out that the Kingdom of God is made up of way more than oneness Pentecostals.
And for that I'm thankful! I trust that He is way more merciful than any of us.

For ANYONE to be in Heaven that has not been obedient to Acts 2:38 would not make God merciful, but a liar. God is not a liar but every man who preaches another hope of salvation outside of the New Birth is indeed a liar.

I think the reverse of your statement is true...we will be surprised by the people who claimed to be Oneness Pentecostal that will be cast into Hell.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sherri

All I'm going to say is this--
Some day I think you will be surprised to find out that the Kingdom of God is made up of way more than oneness Pentecostals.
And for that I'm thankful! I trust that He is way more merciful than any of us.

Sis, I was told that ever since I set a foot in a church building.

Jesus said this, hard to navigate is the path, which leads to an extremely tight and small entrance. Very few will find their way in. Matthew 7:14

He then goes onto say that it was false prophets who will lead you through the wide open broad way to destruction.

Sister, forget the labels, truth is what needs to be conveyed.

Let me give you the flip side of your post.

Someday I think you may be horrified to find out that the Kingdom of God is only made up of those who followed the Jesus Christ, book, chapter, and verse. All others were told to depart from Him because their fruit was lawlessness. Adding and taking away from His Word.

Be thankful that He gives us the time to hear His logic of His scripture.

You trust that He is way more merciful than any of us? I was told that too, but my answer as a young Christian was "so you mean to tell me He's an enabler?" God lays out these instructions by a man named Saull Paul, who lays out the strictest admonitions on how we are to live? Jesus who states that no bad tree can produce good fruit and visa versa? Was Paul just trying to scare people by telling them if they believe any other way they would be utterly anathema? One God Pentecostal Ultra Cons crushing bones until they snap like potato chips? While that might be the horror stories Liberals tell around the campfire, the Apostle Paul wasn't mincing his words when he stated that some would tolerate another gospel, another Jesus, and receive another spirit. He said all who did that were messengers of Satan, disguising themselves as angels of light. People have been preaching a "pay no mind" Jesus for so long they actually see that when they read the Bible.

How'd that go for them? Calvary Chapel is the largest church in Florida and its pastor Bob Coy got popped for sleeping with the women, and downloading porn for years. Church is huge, the music department everyone loves, and everyone says they feel God. No, you feel God because you have the Holy Ghost, you feel Him because in the service you are making contact. Others around you might be feeling acid indigestion, but you are feeling the outpouring. That doesn't mean the people or the joker in the pulpit are on the right path, or even legit. Hence we have a Bible, so when the goosebumps flatten out we can come back down to earth and find out what is the truth.

Truth is not predicated on what is going on around us, if it isn't in the Bible then we shouldn't make it real by what we feel.

He is way more merciful than any of us. Because His mercy gives us a chance to repent and do things His way. Yet, we want to be nicer than Jesus and allow everyone to enter into the Kingdom. I don't mess with "wow, we are going to be shocked when we find Catholics and Mormons in heaven" Seriously? Then sis, where's that in the totality of the scriptures? Is this some roll of the dice? Was Paul insane? Did he just throw the word anathema around like some drooling fanatic? God forbid.

No, the surprise is that we were wrong and the Bible is oh so right.

We make proclamations that God is going to overlook things He didn't overlook for the Judeans in the first century AD. So, when we are in front of the judgement seat, we may just have first century Judeans standing there to inform us "how did you guys get it so wrong?"

No, we won't see a single Catholic, Mormon or Presbyterian in heaven.

You can take that to the bank.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by consapente89

For ANYONE to be in Heaven that has not been obedient to Acts 2:38 would not make God merciful, but a liar. God is not a liar but every man who preaches another hope of salvation outside of the New Birth is indeed a liar.

I think the reverse of your statement is true...we will be surprised by the people who claimed to be Oneness Pentecostal that will be cast into Hell.

Bro, the sad fact is that postmodernism has swallowed the Christian movement in this world. The vomit is boiling up to its lips, and when it finally blows its lunch it won't be a pretty sight.

The Bible isn't a book of suggestions by a nice old God.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro, the sad fact is that postmodernism has swallowed the Christian movement in this world. The vomit is boiling up to its lips, and when it finally blows its lunch it won't be a pretty sight.

The Bible isn't a book of suggestions by a nice old God.

Bro EB this is the last post on this subject for the time. I get what you are saying truly I do. Just as we have heard over and over from others, lines such as (I did not get this from others I got this from personal study), I am saying the same thing. I was raised a three stepper, from as long as I can remember. I was preaching it by the time I was in high school. I have won many over to oneness that were Trinitarian. I did not change my stance by persuasion from others.

The thing is my whole view of what salvation is has changed. So much so that I doubt any one on here would grasp the concept. I would not know where to start.

As for oneness, I will always be oneness. But even that is subject to debate in oneness groups as I have found out. Oneness people cannot agree on what oneness is, how can one say that they teach what the apostles taught, when they cannot agree on the basic doctrine of oneness? That does not bring in standards, baptisms, prophecy or any other subject that we call part of the apostles doctrine, that seems to be up to interpretation, depending on what part of the country or even state you live in.

These things above are things that you seem to state are unquestionable doctrines, but unquestionable in who's eyes?

You trust that He is way more merciful than any of us? I was told that too, but my answer as a young Christian was "so you mean to tell me He's an enabler?" God lays out these instructions by a man named Saull Paul, who lays out the strictest admonitions on how we are to live? Jesus who states that no bad tree can produce good fruit and visa versa? Was Paul just trying to scare people by telling them if they believe any other way they would be utterly anathema? One God Pentecostal Ultra Cons crushing bones until they snap like potato chips? While that might be the horror stories Liberals tell around the campfire, the Apostle Paul wasn't mincing his words when he stated that some would tolerate another gospel, another Jesus, and receive another spirit. He said all who did that were messengers of Satan, disguising themselves as angels of light. People have been preaching a "pay no mind" Jesus for so long they actually see that when they read the Bible.

Just what are these strict admonitions Paul laid out? The dividing line seems to be in the form of man made doctrines that are additions to scripture, yet Ultra Cons state liberals take away from scripture. Who is right and who is wrong? Years ago I began to try and find the middle road, I found there is no middle road, there is only one road. That is the road of self sacrifice of loving your neighbor as yourself and loving God with your whole heart soul and might. All made possible by the cross and done for the glory of God the father and Lord Jesus Christ.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

The thing is my whole view of what salvation is has changed. So much so that I doubt any one on here would grasp the concept. I would not know where to start.

Are you saying that you have a special revelation of God that no one else has?

[houston]

Great post, GD!

[Sherri]

Sadly, there are no two people on here who would totally agree as to what is required for salvation. There are different beliefs among ultra conservatives, and ultra liberals. So if you think you are the ONLY one who is right and has all truth, then I guess you will be the only one saved. Sorry, I just don't believe that's how God works.
Evan. Benincasa, your views of salvation are what you see from scripture, but I'm sure they differ from everyone else on here in some way. So who is to say what is right and what is wrong? You have to study and figure it out from the Word.
You seem to have some sort of personal vendetta against me and what we do. I'm sorry you feel that way. We teach Jesus' name baptism and infilling of the Holy Ghost. We just rebaptized whole churches in Africa and the Philippines, once they heard our teaching on it. I'm not sure what else you want from me. Just because I won't way that everyone else is hell bound?? No, I don't believe that. I believe we have to preach and teach what God has shown us, but I don't believe that everyone else will be lost.

Meanwhile, I hope you win many souls for Jesus. And I hope you learn to be nice to people who don't think exactly like you.