Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?

[tv1a]

A big misconception is the Holy Ghost is the culmination of a salvation experience. Man rejoices when a person speaks in tongues. Angels rejoice when someone repents. God place the importance on repentance. Man put the emphasis on tongues.

Originally Posted by houston

Yes. 3 step doctrine. LOL.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by tv1a

You don't have to say a sinner's prayer. You don't have to repent to speak in tongues. Joel says there will be a day when the Spirit will be poured out on all flesh. It doesn't say a person has to ask for a gift that God promised. The baptism of the Holy Spirit has no strings attached.

Friend you dont understand the Bible. Not even close to believe this.

Jesus said unless we forsake all we cannot be his disciple. Repentance is the missing doctrine of "forsaking all".

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by tv1a

A big misconception is the Holy Ghost is the culmination of a salvation experience. Man rejoices when a person speaks in tongues. Angels rejoice when someone repents. God place the importance on repentance. Man put the emphasis on tongues.

Here's the fun bias in all this.

Let's assume your correct:

Man rejoices when someone speaks in tongues.
Angels rejoice when someone repents.

So then from that you draw the conclusion that "God places more importance on repentance".

Is it possible God just enjoys both?

[Dordrecht]

By TV1A: "You don't have to say a sinner's prayer. You don't have to repent to speak in tongues. Joel says there will be a day when the Spirit will be poured out on all flesh. It doesn't say a person has to ask for a gift that God promised. The baptism of the Holy Spirit has no strings attached."

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht
Let me get this right... you are saying the gift of the Holy Ghost is available to the unsaved?

You did not answer my question.

[trialedbyfire]

For the record YES you have to ask to receive the Holy Ghost:

"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" Luke 11:13

[Dordrecht]

So, the unsaved are now being baptized in the Holy Ghost?
Like TV1A indicated. That's very interesting.

[tv1a]

Jesus spoke more about repentance than about the Holy Spirit.

Mark 1:15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
KJV
Luke 13:3
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
KJV
Acts 26:20
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. KJV

I'm not suggesting God doesn't enjoy tongue talking. The facts bear out God is more concerned with a change of heart than he is with tongue talking. Nowhere does it mention God gets excited when someone speaks in tongues, or gets baptized. If a person doesn't repent, than baptism and tongue talking are window dressing. Sorry to burst your gotcha moment. Jesus specifically mentioned the importance of repentance in the spirit world. He failed to mentioned how the angels respond to baptism and tongues. That alone suggests an order of importance.

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

Here's the fun bias in all this.

Let's assume your correct:

Man rejoices when someone speaks in tongues.
Angels rejoice when someone repents.

So then from that you draw the conclusion that "God places more importance on repentance".

Is it possible God just enjoys both?

[tv1a]

God is looking for fruits of repentance. The Bible does not say tongues are the fruit of repentance. To suggest only saved people can get the Holy Ghost is absurd when the prophet Joel AND Peter said God's Spirit would be poured out on all flesh. Do you think six billion people will have a come to Jesus moment all at the same time, then speak in tongues?

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

So, the unsaved are now being baptized in the Holy Ghost?
Like TV1A indicated. That's very interesting.

[houston]

I thought all flesh meant Jew and Gentile. Silly me.

[Dordrecht]

By tv1A: "To suggest only saved people can get the Holy Ghost is absurd."

The Bible must be an absurd book then.

Here's an absurd scripture:

Mark 16:17, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; <--------
In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues."