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Re: The Trouble With Apostolics is...
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
If you could present these truths in a way that encourages introspection and change then maybe something good will come of it.
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Bingo.
Also, my quick classification of Apostolic would define the thread starter as one himself. I believe he baptizes by invoking the name of Jesus, and believes speaking in tongues are current practice for the New Testament. Without nuancing into finer points that is "Apostolic" to me.
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07-11-2012, 10:40 AM
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Re: The Trouble With Apostolics is...
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
The Movement is NOT monolithic. Sorry but whiny sweeping generalizations are boring
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David Hartman:
"A monolithic framework does not create a critical mind. Where there is only one self-evident truth, nothing ever gets challenged and no sparks of creativity ever get generated. The strength of America has always been its ability to challenge its own truths by presenting alternative possibilities. That forces you to justify your own ideas, and that competition of ideas is what creates excellence".
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07-11-2012, 10:49 AM
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Re: The Trouble With Apostolics is...
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it wasn't Gene Scott. I don't know who Gene Scott is.
The person who wrote that is a member here but hasn't posted for a while.
(He's not UPC. He left over the Affirmation Statement).
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07-11-2012, 11:23 AM
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Re: The Trouble With Apostolics is...
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Broad brush? Yes, I agree there, even while I can see some truth in the first post.
The primary issue we face is recognizing and acknowledging that we have and fight the same battles as other Christians do too.
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What are "other Christians" Hoovie? Are they like my brother from another mother? Stepchildren? What about one faith, one spirit?
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07-11-2012, 11:29 AM
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Re: The Trouble With Apostolics is...
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To be completely honest, I think this post was made to see what people have to say about it. I think this was said to be heard, and nothing more. I believe the OP is watching what everyone is saying, and has no plans to respond.
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Where I'm from we call that trolling... just sayin'.
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07-11-2012, 11:35 AM
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Re: The Trouble With Apostolics is...
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What are "other Christians" Hoovie? Are they like my brother from another mother? Stepchildren? What about one faith, one spirit?
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In the sense I was using it, "other Christians" is a reference to non OP/Apostolic Christians.
In other words, even though we may have a heightened experience or understanding of scripture, we have the similar deficiencies and struggles that are common to men and other Christians.
Not saying we should celebrate that. But just acknowledging it will go a long way in humility and transparency of our movement.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-11-2012, 11:44 AM
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Re: The Trouble With Apostolics is...
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To be completely honest, I think this post was made to see what people have to say about it. I think this was said to be heard, and nothing more. I believe the OP is watching what everyone is saying, and has no plans to respond.
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Where I'm from we call that trolling... just sayin'.
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I don't think so... He has had some serious challenges and this thread is showing some of his thought pattern right now...
They are not foreign to questions I have asked myself at times. I would only refrain from the monolithic assumption.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-11-2012, 11:51 AM
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Re: The Trouble With Apostolics is...
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
In the sense I was using it, "other Christians" is a reference to non OP/Apostolic Christians.
In other words, even though we may have a heightened experience or understanding of scripture, we have the similar deficiencies and struggles that are common to men and other Christians.
Not saying we should celebrate that. But just acknowledging it will go a long way in humility and transparency of our movement.
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Then what good, in your opinion, is that heightened experience or understanding of scripture, if that indeed exists?
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07-11-2012, 11:52 AM
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Re: The Trouble With Apostolics is...
It's been tried. When being cordial and respective they still rip into you. You're bitter, disillusional, backslid. Hard to find intellectual honesty on their side.
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
If you could present these truths in a way that encourages introspection and change then maybe something good will come of it.
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07-11-2012, 12:00 PM
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God's Son
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Re: The Trouble With Apostolics is...
The trouble with apostolics... The definition is too vague to make a golden calf from it...
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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