Faith Without Works... - Page 4

Pressing-On · #31 02-08-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

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Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Jas 2:17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Jas 2:18 But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

Notice Eph saves saved through faith?

Notice James does NOT say "saved through faith and works"? In fact James does not use the word saved at all

Why thank you

You are welcome.

In a nutshell: I believe that we are declared righteous through obedient faith that produces living fruit.

Pressing-On · #32 02-08-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Sister Pressing On I trust things are well with you.

Doing well, Scott! Hope all is well in your household!

Maximilian · #33 02-08-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are welcome.

In a nutshell: I believe that we are declared righteous through obedient faith that produces living fruit.

We get your insistence on obedience, PO.

Praxeas · #34 02-08-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are welcome.

In a nutshell: I believe that we are declared righteous through obedient faith that produces living fruit.

Is there any other kind of faith?

Praxeas · #35 02-08-2011, 05:55 PM

James is a condition of faith.

Galatians is a condition of salvation.

Pressing-On · #36 02-08-2011, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximilian

We get your insistence on obedience, PO.

LOL! Thanks! Some come across as faith alone. I think faith cannot be separated from obedience.

"By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" (Romans 1:5)

"But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:" Romans 16:26

Jeffrey · #37 02-08-2011, 05:58 PM

I absolutely agree with how this thread is wrapping up

That said, it's important to know that our obedience is judged by how we faithfully rely, trust in and depend on the Gospel to be the power for our salvation -- that is, Jesus.

Even though we may disobey, have sin, struggle, show our imperfections, if we are aware that Jesus is working in us, and we stay faithful to Him, then we are, in fact, staying obedient.

Pressing-On · #38 02-08-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Is there any other kind of faith?

As I stated, some have come across as faith alone. Or, probably, I just misunderstood what they were saying as the wording wasn't plain enough.

When I'm thinking in a particular vein, you have to say things just right or I won't get it. LOL!

Maximilian · #39 02-08-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

LOL! Thanks! Some come across as faith alone. I think faith cannot be separated from obedience.

"By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" (Romans 1:5)

"But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:" Romans 16:26

PO, and others stress out and overly-emphasize to the point of drowning out the Gospel this element of works.

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Through Christ, God has given us the privilege and authority as apostles to tell Gentiles everywhere what God has done for them, so that they will believe and obey him, bringing glory to his name.

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But now as the prophets[i] foretold and as the eternal God has commanded, this message is made known to all Gentiles everywhere, so that they too might believe and obey him.

None of this overlooks or eclipses the reality of the Gospel. If we are in Christ, we are not subject to the wrath of God. He has pardoned us, not just in the present, but also the past and future. Our sins are not counted against us, he bears them all. He did this without any consideration of our works. Paul's emphasis on Justification by Faith was so impressed that Romans 6 is almost a blushing disclaimer similar to: ("now I'm not saying we should go on sinning"). That's how Grace should be preached. We should do more pausing before we start going into how much they need to obey -- and realize, a heart regenerated by Grace, is a heart that has no problem wanting to obey. We would do ourselves a great honor by allowing people to soak in Grace before jumping to further discipleship.

Pressing-On · #40 02-08-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I absolutely agree with how this thread is wrapping up

That said, it's important to know that our obedience is judged by how we faithfully rely, trust in and depend on the Gospel to be the power for our salvation -- that is, Jesus.

Even though we may disobey, have sin, struggle, show our imperfections, if we are aware that Jesus is working in us, and we stay faithful to Him, then we are, in fact, staying obedient.

Good words!!! I was going through something just recently and the Lord gave me this scripture today:

Isaiah 41:11 "By this I know that thou favourest me, because mine enemy doth not triumph over me. (12) And as for me, thou upholdest me in mine integrity, and settest me before thy face for ever."