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Old 02-23-2009, 01:43 PM
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Bro, much of local services, police, and fire are subsidized by Federal Block Grants as distributed to and then by the states.
Federal block grants are not the same as massive organizations designed to run things like Medicade (failure) Social Security (failure), IRS (failure), Post Office (failure)

Aquila, we arent talking about the Fire department or the guys that fill pot holes or keep the water clean.

and beyond the federal offices that deal with the adminstration, we are talking about a congress that will certainly build law that cannot be successful!
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Yes, I am a working stiff and health care is sky high for me and people that make less than me and for people that work under the table and dont pay income taxes but may pay retail taxes.

No one has proven to me whats so bad about everyone getting good affordable health care.

If you make too much you cant get the government to help out - if you dont make enough you cant pay for good health care.
I feel your pain. Im living it. but I sure dont want the government in any way involved in the process. they will only make a mess of it like they have the eoconmy.
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AQ, all the jobs you list here are done by folk either at a state or city level.

I refer to the FEDERAL government.

and I've pointed out that the military is the only Federal governmental job we do well.


FMLA is a government law, not a government run office that does some real job. Universal Healthcare will run much like Medicad with is a farse.

The FEDERAL government has proven incapable of doing anything other than running a military and doing it well.

and it is NOT simplistic at all to suggest that an organization that is failing to deliver scraps of paper to my house has no resume that would lead me to trust them with the adminstration of my healthcare.


and oh by the way, the lump heads that would draft the laws conserning Universal Healthcare are the same idiots that drafted the Community Reinvestment Act (Revised 1996 or some such) and Graham-Leach-Bliley, the two bits of legislation that have pretty much caused the current WORLD WIDE ECONOMIC CRISIS.


Sorry dude, I DONT TRUST THESE JERKS!
Bro....my wife worked for National City, I'll have to get the specifics. But what they aren't tell you is that the CRA doesn't require ARMs. ARMs were part of a scheme that was divised by the unregulated banking industry to meet the requirements of the ARM and make sweeping profits. When they realized how many of these they could conceivably issue, they went hog wild selling these ARMs like they were candy. CRA didn't require this, the banks just got too greedy.
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So I would just pay an extra $1,000 for not only myself but for other people to receive health insurance? Thats a better deal than what I could do paying for health insurance with my job.
Yep.
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Ferd,

If you are against the government seeing that every one hasg access to affordable health care no matter how small their income - do ou think that nothing should be done?
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Chris, the theory is great, but at some point, businesses will discover that it is more simple to move folk to the nationalized version than to carry them themselves.

insurance companies will contract until there is little compitition and then we will be on a single payer system. These things ALWAYS devolve to that point.
France and Germany are the most progressive on this front... and their's isn't single payer.
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I feel your pain. Im living it. but I sure dont want the government in any way involved in the process. they will only make a mess of it like they have the eoconmy.
The situation is messy now
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Federal block grants are not the same as massive organizations designed to run things like Medicade (failure) Social Security (failure), IRS (failure), Post Office (failure)
Medicade has provided countless instances of essential care for people who otherwise would have had none. Same with Social Security providing some sustenance to people who otherwise would have had none. The problem with these programs is that politicians can’t keep their hands out of the cookie jar. Other countries have figured out how to make it illegal for their politicians to do what ours do. But it seems Americans don’t have the guts to do it.

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Aquila, we arent talking about the Fire department or the guys that fill pot holes or keep the water clean.
So you admit that government standards and funding in these vital areas has proven beneficial?

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and beyond the federal offices that deal with the adminstration, we are talking about a congress that will certainly build law that cannot be successful!
I think you have a perspective that isn’t realistic. We live in an imperfect world. I don’t expect a perfect law coming from an imperfect Congress. I also don’t expect a perfect system or program. I expect modifications to various laws and programs to be forthcoming once they are a reality. You demand perfection, I demand something that works and is flexible to modify as various issues become apparent. A universal health insurance program would most likely be part of a Federal Mandate and each state would be given leverage to design their own systems. Federal monies would be issued to the states (much like a Federal block grant) to subsidize the insurance systems. For example, even in Canada their system is managed a little different province by province. It would be a Federal initiative managed by individual states.
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Ferd, maybe if you were an account reconciler for the government like I am you'd have a different perspective.

Of course I pray my days in accounting are coming to an end. I'm hoping to get a position working with the internal process of aviation security. We'll see how that works out.
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Bro....my wife worked for National City, I'll have to get the specifics. But what they aren't tell you is that the CRA doesn't require ARMs. ARMs were part of a scheme that was divised by the unregulated banking industry to meet the requirements of the ARM and make sweeping profits. When they realized how many of these they could conceivably issue, they went hog wild selling these ARMs like they were candy. CRA didn't require this, the banks just got too greedy.
I aint getting into it with you over this. CRA was part of the problem. what was required was that banks gave loans to poor people who couldnt afford the loans. if they didnt comply street thugs like ACORN (barak obama's home org or some such) could mess up a banks ability to do business.

add in "creative accounting" created by Graham and boys, mix in the idiots at fannie and freddie and the protection that Barny Frank and pals provided them.

mix in the clear understanding that a LOT of fast money (read unethical) could be made by wall street types and mortage generators

and its a deadly mix.

Lots of folk in and not in Washington get the blame. but bottom line, this thing started with our wonderful congress doing what they do best.

That is building law without understanding the unintended consequinces. and THAT is exactly what will happen if congress writes the law for Universal Healthcare.

Just like the albatross of Social Security we now live with. Just like the albatross of Medicare/Medicade we live with.
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