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Old 04-10-2007, 10:41 AM
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I agree with this...

However, I do believe conservative Christians are needed in the public discourse.

Sure there are some that would outlaw going to the beach. And they are wrong. But without that voice on the right, we are left with only the secular humanists voice who would allow just about anything. We would move quickly to a place where morality was outlawed and perversion would be the rule.

As dangerous at some think the ultra conservative Christian is, the voice from the pit of hell is given full approval from the secular humanists who would drag our nation into every perversion known to man…


So, lets keep the UCs around we need their voice….ALSO
But is being a Christian necessarily the same thing as being a Conservative?

I think that Christians need to stop trying to thwart Bible prophecy and stop acting as if this present world was our home.
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Old 04-10-2007, 10:41 AM
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CC1, I would be considered by many, many to be conserative, I like to think I am a Child of God, but that aside, what are you trying to say and is this directed at people like me?

I can't answer whether or not what I wrote was directed at you. I was directing my remarks towards those conservative and ultra conservative Pentecostals who have the mindset that criticizes the President because he has not instituted a theocracy and decreed into law every moral / cultural position they believe is Christian.

Those folks who are so removed from reality that they don't understand that our responsibility as Christians is to support political canidates and govermental initiatives that MOST represent and support Christian views. Not boycott the system or process and give it by default to heatherns.

I also was thinking of the conservative Pentecostal legalists who would not think twice about imposing their view of morality on the masses if they had the power. I am not speaking about morality in the sense of God's moral law but in their application of Christian principles.
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Old 04-10-2007, 10:43 AM
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The point that I am trying to make is; I have heard this verse referenced by Conservatives these past two years on FCF, NFCF, And AFF.

There is a "God's is gonna getcha" mentality and "Fear me for I am the man of God" attitude.

It's goes back to the making of this thread.

What if Conservative Christians ruled? Especially Strict holiness.

There would be no freedom of speech.

The common folk could not vote. And thus not elect a king like the other nations....remember SAUL

All rules and codes would be set by the Goverment. thus saith the Lord is government?

Manditory Church attendance and Tithing. There's a problem with the firstfruits and not forsaking the assemblying of ourselves together?

There would be the sin police patroling cities.where SIN doth abound GRACE doth much more abound

One clothing store owned a designed by the leaders.

No make up, No swimming at beaches. No Sports....etc.

No media and no influence from other countries.

It would be pretty close to North Korea Now!
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Old 04-10-2007, 10:43 AM
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What exactly is a socialist/ globalist way??

Do you think All religion will be outlawed?
A "socialist/globalist way" is a governing philosophy that insists on international government and "big government" that comes up with all kinds of programs to run the lives of the citizens and "take care" of them from cradle to grave. It limits individual liberty in favor of "national" or "international" security.
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Old 04-10-2007, 10:45 AM
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I can't answer whether or not what I wrote was directed at you. I was directing my remarks towards those conservative and ultra conservative Pentecostals who have the mindset that criticizes the President because he has not instituted a theocracy and decreed into law every moral / cultural position they believe is Christian.

Those folks who are so removed from reality that they don't understand that our responsibility as Christians is to support political canidates and govermental initiatives that MOST represent and support Christian views. Not boycott the system or process and give it by default to heatherns.

I also was thinking of the conservative Pentecostal legalists who would not think twice about imposing their view of morality on the masses if they had the power. I am not speaking about morality in the sense of God's moral law but in their application of Christian principles.

Theocracy is a form of government in which the divine power (for example, in monotheisms, the one God) governs an earthly human state, either in person (e.g., as incarnation in a human being) or, more often, via its religious institutional representative(s) (e.g., church, temple), either replacing or dominating the organs of civil government as clerical or spiritual representative(s) of god(s). [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy)
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I can't answer whether or not what I wrote was directed at you. I was directing my remarks towards those conservative and ultra conservative Pentecostals who have the mindset that criticizes the President because he has not instituted a theocracy and decreed into law every moral / cultural position they believe is Christian.

Those folks who are so removed from reality that they don't understand that our responsibility as Christians is to support political canidates and govermental initiatives that MOST represent and support Christian views. Not boycott the system or process and give it by default to heatherns.

I also was thinking of the conservative Pentecostal legalists who would not think twice about imposing their view of morality on the masses if they had the power. I am not speaking about morality in the sense of God's moral law but in their application of Christian principles.
Participation in the political process is, at least in America, part of rendering unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. However, there's a difference between that and having an attitude that any earthly nation is our home and culture and, therefore, we have to make it a more comfortable place for Christians to live. You seem to be suggesting that the Bible and living according to Biblical values (including our having the attitude that this present world is not our home and that we have no right to have any loyalty or allegiance to it) is not "reality." I've got news for you: the only reality is the reality of the Bible.
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But is being a Christian necessarily the same thing as being a Conservative?

I think that Christians need to stop trying to thwart Bible prophecy and stop acting as if this present world was our home.
not being a christian is not the same as being conservitive. but being a conserviitve christian should not exclude one from participation in the determination of the direction our contry takes.
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Old 04-10-2007, 10:56 AM
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Theocracy is a form of government in which the divine power (for example, in monotheisms, the one God) governs an earthly human state, either in person (e.g., as incarnation in a human being) or, more often, via its religious institutional representative(s) (e.g., church, temple), either replacing or dominating the organs of civil government as clerical or spiritual representative(s) of god(s). [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy)
the problem with thocracies is that there is a human between God and the people. ...humans tend to mess things up.
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I can't answer whether or not what I wrote was directed at you. I was directing my remarks towards those conservative and ultra conservative Pentecostals who have the mindset that criticizes the President because he has not instituted a theocracy and decreed into law every moral / cultural position they believe is Christian.

Those folks who are so removed from reality that they don't understand that our responsibility as Christians is to support political canidates and govermental initiatives that MOST represent and support Christian views. Not boycott the system or process and give it by default to heatherns.

I also was thinking of the conservative Pentecostal legalists who would not think twice about imposing their view of morality on the masses if they had the power. I am not speaking about morality in the sense of God's moral law but in their application of Christian principles.
CC1,

You actually know some folks like that in real life or is it all in your fantastical world of imaginary Pentecost?
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Old 04-10-2007, 11:07 AM
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not being a christian is not the same as being conservitive. but being a conserviitve christian should not exclude one from participation in the determination of the direction our contry takes.
As I said in an earlier post:

Participation in the political process is, at least in America, part of rendering unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. However, there's a difference between that and having an attitude that any earthly nation is our home and culture and, therefore, we have to make it a more comfortable place for Christians to live.
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