Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongues?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by shag

I have friends that have never spoke in tongues, and produce righteous fruit 100 fold that of many that have spoken in tongues.Seems to prove to me they're Spirit led. Can God's Spirit lead them to producing that much "good fruit", without indwelling in , and without them ever speaking in tongues as the evidence of His indwelling? I think so, and I also think folks like James Dobson, for 1, has God's Spirit leading him from the inside, whether he's spoken in tongues to convince me, or not.

I think we should just go by what the Word says, and not by our own feelings or impressions.

There are some mild, sweet-spirited Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses ouit there too. From their demeanor and daily lifestyle, many would think they produce "righteous fruit" too. But these people are not Spirit-led. These people's "fruit" doesnt "prove" anything.

There are also some mild-mannered so-called "believers" in certain churches/denominations, who are very anti-Holy Ghost, and discourage their loved ones from going to a Pentecostal churches, because they feel speaking in tongues is demonic, fake, etc. These people are not Spirit led and certainly not Spirit filled, no matter how sweet and gentle they may seem to be.

[Sam]

The disciples of Jesus were authorized to preach, teach, and work miracles. Their names were written in Heaven. (Luke 10:1-20). Later, after His resurrection, Jesus commissioned them to go into all the world and preach to every creature, but, told them to wait in Jerusalem for an experience that would give them power to be witnesses for Him. Ten days after His ascension, Jesus poured out an empowering experience that we call "the Holy Ghost Baptism" or "the Pentecostal Experience" or "the release of the Spirit" or "the filling of the Spirit." This was for empowerment. It was not for salvation. They had already been saved and working for God.

again, this is my opinion and may not agree with your opinion.

[KWSS1976]

TR France if they think tongues are demonic they have to be reading it from somewere in the bible why else would they think like this. I know what you are saying because I have heard the exact samething..

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

TR France if they think tongues are demonic they have to be reading it from somewere in the bible why else would they think like this. I know what you are saying because I have heard the exact samething..

But where would they be reading it in the bible? There's nothing in the bible about demons speaking in tongues.

It's plain ignorance and hardness of heart, just as the Pharisees claimed Jesus was casting out devils by Beelzebub, the prince of devils. They refused to believe and accept Jesus's word and his works, so they tried to talk down his works by claiming they were not of God. It's the same kind of thing with these folks who talk about Pentecostals who speak in tongues as being demon possessed. These people who say that are terribly deceived, and are often looking to find a way to explain away the phenomenon, especially since they havent had the experience themselves.

They remind me of the kind of people Jesus speaks of in the parable of the sower, when he says:

Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. (Luke 8:12)

[shag]

the one verse I have heard used by a good s. baptist buddy of mine is;

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’(iniquity-kjv)

He claimed they would be working iniquity by casting out devils and prophesying in his name according to this verse. Yeah, I know, the signs follow the believers..., I told him that.

TR, your points concerning Jehova witnesses, mormons etc... are good noteworthy points IMO. If someone believes Jesus was just an angel or prophet.... they're no doubt, up the creek without a paddle no matter how much good fruit they produce. And they sure can't have His Spirit in them if the believe Him to just be a prophet or angel...

It does however lead me to a question;
Is it possible to cast out demons in his name without knowing him? They tried it in the bible and they got stripped naked, and sent on down the road.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by shag

the one verse I have heard used by a good s. baptist buddy of mine is;

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’(iniquity-kjv)

He claimed they would be working iniquity by casting out devils and prophesying in his name according to this verse. Yeah, I know, the signs follow the believers, I told him that.

Shag, I feel sorry for your good Baptist buddy.
Here's the thing: ask him for a scripture that says that tongues and other manifestations of the Spirit would not continue to future generations beyond the early church.

He cant find any such scripture, because it doesnt exist.

[shag]

Agreed. he as many, overlook Crinthians extended expl. of gifts in the operation of the church....for the church....on and on..


What do you think about my previous inserted last question, as to if its possible to cast out demons.....

[KWSS1976]

Actually trfrance in 1 corithians 8:13 it does mention something to the effect but the kicker is the perfect is it the bible or jesus because the bible is the perfect word which they did not have back then for people to read..

[shag]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Actually trfrance in 1 corithians 8:13 it does mention something to the effect but the kicker is the perfect is it the bible or jesus because the bible is the perfect word which they did not have back then for people to read..

I personally, dont feel he would institute so much scripture on "tongue and sign" operation in the church in atleast 1 full chapter, if it did not exist after the letters came together shortly thereafter. Why even put it in there? Makes no sense to me that way of "thinking'.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by scotty

Exactly !




People have life changes like this all the time without ever stepping into a church.

You put down on the work of Christ? This person gives their testimony and for you to put down is just wrong. NO ONE can be born again without Christ.