The Light Doctrine - Page 4

nahkoe · #31 12-12-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

Acts 2:38 is the entrance to the Kingdom.

You aren't even in the Kingdom until you have obeyed it.

Of course it takes more than that, but without that you haven't even entered the Kingdom.

Ok, so let me ask you a question.

Am I saved or not?

I repented. I was filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. And I was baptized in Jesus' name by a UPC preacher.

So I know right here you're scratching your head. "What does she mean, is she saved? Of course she is!"

But.

I walked away from God. I practiced witchcraft. I did everything I could think of doing to make it very clear to God I wasn't interested in Him or following Him ever again.

But.

Here I am.

Since I've been back, I have repented. I haven't been baptized again, and have been told I don't have to and that it's not even an option by some, and that it's up to me by others. I have not spoken with other tongues since being back. I *have* committed to pursuing an ever deepening relationship with God. Where that leads, it leads.

So, am I saved according to your doctrine?

El Predicador · #32 12-12-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

We have the truth required for salvation.

It will take eternity to reveal all of God.

Amen, the truth of salvation is plain for all to see in the scripture, and summarized in Acts.

In regards to salvation we have all the truth we ever will have, available through the Water, the Blood, the Spirit and the Word.

We also have all the revelation we shall ever have in this dispensation.

However, hopefully will shall always contain to grow in illumination or understanding of glory, majesty, purpose, will, and holiness of Our Lord.

Amos · #33 12-12-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

Ok, so let me ask you a question.

Am I saved or not?

I repented. I was filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. And I was baptized in Jesus' name by a UPC preacher.

So I know right here you're scratching your head. "What does she mean, is she saved? Of course she is!"

But.

I walked away from God. I practiced witchcraft. I did everything I could think of doing to make it very clear to God I wasn't interested in Him or following Him ever again.

But.

Here I am.

Since I've been back, I have repented. I haven't been baptized again, and have been told I don't have to and that it's not even an option by some, and that it's up to me by others. I have not spoken with other tongues since being back. I *have* committed to pursuing an ever deepening relationship with God. Where that leads, it leads.

So, am I saved according to your doctrine?

You are asking me to judge the state of your heart now, and that is something I am not qualified to do.

You have been born again of Water and Spirit.

You fell away from God as many have, but you have returned and repented.

Personally, if I were in your place, I would not be comfortable until my Holy Ghost experience was renewed, along with tongues, so that I could pray in the Spirit.

But to say that you are absolutely "required" to speak in tongues again is something I am not sure I could do.

I think I would be asking myself why I was not praying in the Spirit though, if for no other reason than that it is such a refreshing and an edifying experience that I find to be a vital part of my devotional life.

nahkoe · #34 12-12-2008, 05:51 PM

Anyone else?

Quote:

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Ok, so let me ask you a question.

Am I saved or not?

I repented. I was filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. And I was baptized in Jesus' name by a UPC preacher.

So I know right here you're scratching your head. "What does she mean, is she saved? Of course she is!"

But.

I walked away from God. I practiced witchcraft. I did everything I could think of doing to make it very clear to God I wasn't interested in Him or following Him ever again.

But.

Here I am.

Since I've been back, I have repented. I haven't been baptized again, and have been told I don't have to and that it's not even an option by some, and that it's up to me by others. I have not spoken with other tongues since being back. I *have* committed to pursuing an ever deepening relationship with God. Where that leads, it leads.

So, am I saved according to your doctrine?

nahkoe · #35 12-12-2008, 05:54 PM

Thanks for your response.

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Originally Posted by Amos

You are asking me to judge the state of your heart now, and that is something I am not qualified to do.

You have been born again of Water and Spirit.

You fell away from God as many have, but you have returned and repented.

Personally, if I were in your place, I would not be comfortable until my Holy Ghost experience was renewed, along with tongues, so that I could pray in the Spirit.

But to say that you are absolutely "required" to speak in tongues again is something I am not sure I could do.

I think I would be asking myself why I was not praying in the Spirit though, if for no other reason than that it is such a refreshing and an edifying experience that I find to be a vital part of my devotional life.

Esther · #36 12-12-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

Anyone else?

I think it is foolish to rely on a man to tell you if you are saved or not. Only God would know that answer.

If you have doubts, then you need to pursue until you have none. JMO

nahkoe · #37 12-12-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

I think it is foolish to rely on a man to tell you if you are saved or not. Only God would know that answer.

If you have doubts, then you need to pursue until you have none. JMO

I have none.

But I'm always curious what those who believe very strictly 3 steps would have to say about this. Especially those who don't believe in once saved, always saved.

Light · #38 12-12-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ShofarMan

Yes Light, please enlighten us on the Light doctrine.

The light doctrine teaches one is saved by doing everything they know to do. If they do not know the plan of salvation they are ok even if they do not obey Acts 2:38.

stmatthew · #39 12-12-2008, 07:24 PM

I don't believe once saved always save, but i do believe once born, always born. You never undo the birth of the spirit. You may walk away from it and never come back, but when you die you die a backslidden child of God.

Esther,

I believe there is a minimum light that is required for salvation, otherwise where do you draw the line? Unless one believes and acts upon the gospel message, they cannot be saved. We Apostolics understand that our response must be Acts 2:38. This is the New Birth. Anything short of being born of water and spirit is short of salvation.

stmatthew · #40 12-12-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

The light doctrine teaches one is saved by doing everything they know to do. If they do not know the plan of salvation they are ok even if they do not obey Acts 2:38.

Bro Light,

We are on the same page on this one. If the light doctrine is taken to its natural conclusion, a Buddhist or Muslim would be saved as long as they follow all the light they know.