Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to keep?

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Blaylock

What was the first recorded biblical standard?

first church standards?

abstain from things offered to idols,from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Acts 15:28


ARPH

[robert]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Which "Old Ways" do we keep? The "Old Ways" which started in the 1940's and 50's? Or the "Old Ways" that started 2000 years ago?

For most people the "Old Ways" officially start at the time of their oldest known relative such as grandparents or great grand parents and in addition are heavily influenced by the town and neighborhood they grew up in.

Apparently you want to change things to suit your preference of standards. Or do you have any standards. How far would one go and still be holy. You must have an opinion since you are challenging what has been accepted for the last 50 years. You could write an instruction book. "Holiness standards according to Randy Wayne", or "Why, Holiness standards should be different in this day and age". Excuse my sarcasm...but did I detect some sarcasm in YOUR quote. 50 years ago every religion had a standard of holiness they lived by, it's not the fad to have rules or standards any more, but thank God some still have moral convictions and standards or where would this world be.

[Sister Alvear]

Robert: Please remember some of us know each other and we joke...We all live up to what we feel is standards. Some more outward than others however most of us are kinda like family...

[Sister Alvear]

I am problaby considered ultra con...however we are all friends...some consider me liberal...lol...so it all depends who we are judging each other by...

[robert]

My pastor says there are 1,104 promises in the New Testament. Everyone is happy to know this. We all like good news. Does any body know how many dos and don'ts are in the New Testament? Does any body even care? I hear so much talk about doing away with standards of holiness, let everyone figure it out on there own. We are called children of God. In God's eyes we are children, we need instruction, we need correction, we need some rules. [read...2 Tim. 3:16.] Imagine telling your children not to follow the rules at school, don't listen to the police, watch whatever you want to on tv. We have standards we give to our children according to our life experiences, but don't think seasoned Pastors should have the authority to teach standards to God's children. A Pastor should have the right to instruct what is modest and what is not according to his experience in his walk with God and his prayer life with God. Why do children of God feel they have the authority to define what is modest and what is not, but the man of God does not have any authority in the matter at all. Let the leaders lead and let the children of God try following. I've heard the preaching of wearing dresses to women compared to cultic practices of Jim Jones...can we get real. If teaching women to wear dresses is cultic then what will be next, asking the children of God to respect authority as being oppresive.

[robert]

Originally Posted by simplyme

Yes pls explain, is it mainly to do with dress standards? If so I agree, also with abstaining from questionable practices but then again that is a private or personal conviction(s)., today I don't believe its a good thing to force people to 100percent comply with everything unless its bible based, and/or GOD conviction I consider both to be present in my decision., meaning I don't have to have direct 100% blk/white written Bible IF I have GOD conviction ., the HG is there for a reason.

Could some one tell me, is personal conviction a scriptural thing or a man made thing. What is the definition of personal conviction. Could it be a loop hole that gives permission to the user to disregard authority. Elvis Presly called it..."I did it my way"...of course he was also the most miserable famous man of his time. "100% blk/white written Bible"...why not just say if God stands right in front of me and tells me face to face then I'll believe it. We couldn't even believe in faith. Just imagine someone saying, "I can't believe that God would want me to have an automobile to drive to work because it isn't wriitten 100% blk/white bible". The Holy Ghost is there for the reason of teaching us all things and leading and guiding us into all truths. I just don't believe the Holy ghost teaches each individual different rules and convictions according to the individuals personal belief or lifestyle or what ever. Sounds like a contradiction to me. There's ONE WAY... not my way, your way ,their way, whatever way.

[StillStanding]

Shakespeare weighs in!

SONNET LXIX

If there be nothing new, but that which is
Hath been before, how are our brains beguil'd,
Which labouring for invention bear amiss
The second burthen of a former child.
Oh that record could with a backward look,
Even of five hundred courses of the sun,
Show me your image in some antique book,
Since mind at first in character was done,
That I might see what the old world could say
To this composed wonder of your frame;
Whether we are mended, or where better they,
Or whether revolution be the same.
Oh sure I am the wits of former days,
To subjects worse have given admiring praise.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by robert

My pastor says there are 1,104 promises in the New Testament. Everyone is happy to know this. We all like good news. Does any body know how many dos and don'ts are in the New Testament? Does any body even care? I hear so much talk about doing away with standards of holiness, let everyone figure it out on there own. We are called children of God. In God's eyes we are children, we need instruction, we need correction, we need some rules. [read...2 Tim. 3:16.] Imagine telling your children not to follow the rules at school, don't listen to the police, watch whatever you want to on tv. We have standards we give to our children according to our life experiences, but don't think seasoned Pastors should have the authority to teach standards to God's children. A Pastor should have the right to instruct what is modest and what is not according to his experience in his walk with God and his prayer life with God. Why do children of God feel they have the authority to define what is modest and what is not, but the man of God does not have any authority in the matter at all. Let the leaders lead and let the children of God try following. I've heard the preaching of wearing dresses to women compared to cultic practices of Jim Jones...can we get real. If teaching women to wear dresses is cultic then what will be next, asking the children of God to respect authority as being oppresive.

The problem, Bob, is that they preach it as a heaven or hell issue. This presents a problem when they move or if the preacher down the street teaches something different.

It's ok to teach preferences. It's not ok to teach them as Biblical or salvational.

[robert]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

Bro. Robert, that is an excellent question, one I had never even considered: How many do's and don'ts are there in the New Testament! Great question. So, how many do's and don'ts are there in the New Testament?

Wasn't hard to find one...I just opened my bible...it fell on [Mathew... 4:19]...Whosoever therefore shall break one of the least of these commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall "do" and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.... Jesus is refering back to the law.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The problem with your question is your definition of old ways is less than 100 years old. The wpf's inconsistent view of television and internet proves they are rule minded, not principle minded.

The consideration of television programming and internet access as equivalents is YOUR OPINION. You can't make a proof from a faulty premise.

wpf operates the same way the pharisees did.

This sort of thing used to be against the rules around here.

It's that attitude which helped nail Jesus to the cross.

This is ultra-dangerous theology. Jesus went to the cross willingly and of his own accord. He did it out of his great love to provide the ultimate sacrifice for sin. If the Pharisees had seen the light, some other group would have hammered the nails. The Pharisees' main railing accusation against him was his self-expression of Godhead, which they saw as blasphemy. It wasn't for the minor points of the law that they took him before Pilate.