Brother, I think you got that a little mixed up. If someone redeemed their tithes they paid an extra 20%, not received an extra 20%.
Rico that is the ignorance of these guys that is why it is a waste of time to discuss with them. They may be able to read a balance sheet but reading the Bible seems to be a problem. I have been over this issue on this same matter I am tired of it.
It reminds me years ago a man came by where I was pastoring in Kentucky he said pastor I think we should do as the early church. I said how is that? He said everyone sell everything they have and divide it. I said fine with me. He looked shocked he said you think that would be alright. I said sure. What are you gonna sell? He said I don't have anything to sell. I said well I guess we will have to wait until you have something to sell to do it.
He left confused.
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Originally Posted by Rico
Brother, I think you got that a little mixed up. If someone redeemed their tithes they paid an extra 20%, not received an extra 20%.
Yes, that is right...minus 20% interest....good catch!
The point being, the tithe was not money and there was an actual exchange going on here in this scripture between tithe and money....we dont see that in modern times.
I have listened to the Scummy Pot twice this week. I suspect I will listen to it again. Being at work, I have not gotten to focus 100% on every aspect.
But one thing that is appropriate here came out. Brother Bean said that the Preacher should get 100% of the tithes. He also said that if the church could not trust the preacher they ought to get rid of that one and get one they could trust because you cannot be saved without a preacher in your life. He also said that preachers should not be getting rich. But they should not be muzzled either.
Now I am paraphrasing but that is the heart of the comment. I think it is a good one on all points. Ones inability to trust the preacher is either the saints or the preachers. In either case, something needs to get lined out, but NOT the principle. Where the people and the preacher are right, there is no problem.
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Rico that is the ignorance of these guys that is why it is a waste of time to discuss with them. They may be able to read a balance sheet but reading the Bible seems to be a problem. I have been over this issue on this same matter I am tired of it.
It reminds me years ago a man came by where I was pastoring in Kentucky he said pastor I think we should do as the early church. I said how is that? He said everyone sell everything they have and divide it. I said fine with me. He looked shocked he said you think that would be alright. I said sure. What are you gonna sell? He said I don't have anything to sell. I said well I guess we will have to wait until you have something to sell to do it.
He left confused.
You have nothing to share from the bible on this matter. You conveniently claim the status quo...
Yes, that is right...minus 20% interest....good catch!
The point being, the tithe was not money and there was an actual exchange going on here in this scripture between tithe and money....we dont see that in modern times.
Well, their economy was different than ours. Ours is based on greenbacks. Everything is traded for money now. It wasn't like that back then. That is why I have never bought into this argument that because the tithe wasn't money back then that it shouldn't be money now.
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Why is Elder Epley silent on the fact that the tithe in the Old Testament is not the same as money and that they are two distinct entities which both existed at the time....I dont expect a response on this one....so you too, go your merry way.
About 2-3 years ago, I briefly sat on the auditing committee for the New York Metro District which formed for the very first time ever.
It was formed because of in-fighting at a district business meeting due to irregularities in the financial statements ... For as long as the district had been around ... no one had pointed out the constitutional right given to districts to form such a committee ... it was only when TF Tenney, the invited speaker, suggested it and said that Louisiana had been doing so for years ...
it was only then, and after almost an hour and half of senseless accusations being thrown back and forth that I motioned for a resolution for the district to form such a committee.
Amazing if you ask me ... even ministers of the Gospel were clamoring, and even backbiting, because they wanted to see better accountability ...
that ... coupled w/ the advent of new tax laws affecting the church ... it's puzzling to see that there isn't a rush, locally and nationally, for reform within our movement.
I must echo the sentiments of Pastor Addams when he stated that the Apostolic movement has been slow moving, and even
reluctant, to utilize the bible-based tools and resources out there for better church governance.
Why is Elder Epley silent on the fact that the tithe in the Old Testament is not the same as money and that they are two distinct entities which both existed at the time....I dont expect a response on this one....so you too, go your merry way.
My mother was a fine farmer. Even when we lived in the city, if she could get just a little small piece of dirt, she would plant a garden. The first fruts of that garden went to our beloved pastor.
I believe in tithing. I believe in that principle. I've lived by it all my life. God has greatly blessed me because of it, even in hard times when I was tested, he still blessed me. Today, I am not doing too badly at all, to say the least, I still abide by that principle.
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Well, their economy was different than ours. Ours is based on greenbacks. Everything is traded for money now. It wasn't like that back then. That is why I have never bought into this argument that because the tithe wasn't money back then that it shouldn't be money now.
You've got this mixed up, bro....greenbacks existed back then (i.e. in the form of metals, silver, gold, etc.)...and a closer look into the Bible reveals that in OT times, not all had occupations related to farming...to infer that bartering was the only form of commerce in the Bible is simpy not supported.
Firstly, goods and services were not always purchased via bartering...secondly, there are many occupations in the OT unrelated to farming...thirdly, money was used quite often in OT times to pay wages as well as taxes. The main unit of currency in the OT times is the shekel. Scripture supporting money existed:
Genesis 23:15-16 "Listen to me, my lord; the land is worth four hundred shekels of silver, but what is that between me and you? Bury your dead." Abraham agreed to Ephron's terms and weighed out for him the price he had named in the hearing of the Hittites: four hundred shekels of silver, according to the weight current among the merchants."
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