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10-05-2012, 03:55 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
First and foremost; Scripture reveals that great men can and do fail. In fact, we hold in our hand a Bible written by men who did atrocious things, including murder and adultery. Those who might gloat or embellish Bro. Blacks sin better beware. I have witnessed with my own eyes the stumbling that follows when people are drawn into the crowd of pointing fingers at others who sin.
I’ve been in the UPCI for 33 years, and have been a pastor for 17 years. People need to understand, the stress we deal with is beyond any profession that most individuals have ever done. Words can’t describe the heartache, sleepless nights, constant criticism, demands 24 hours a day, remaining constant when everything is falling apart, working with no pay, and dealing with rejection when people leave who have been greatly invested in by a pastor.
Bro. Black is not immune to any of these, and I’m positive that stress and demand are equated into the recipe of his bad choices. This is like what happened to Bro. McCary, but thank God there was no suicide.
One of our greatest flaws as an Organization is the emotional expectation of preachers and the laity. If we aren’t “Feeling Good”, running the aisles, then God must be on vacation. So we turn the volume up, signal the drummer for a bigger beat, scream louder into the microphone, all to wake our Savior who’s in the back of the boat, asleep during the storm.
God is in everything except, “The Still Small Voice!” We dance and sing like David, while we kill Uriah and sleep with his wife. The contrast here is horrific, but true. When my first pastor fell into adultery, losing his entire church and marriage, I realized that God is not in the song, the beat, the volume, or even in holy dress. Our church was deemed as being extremely spiritual, but was the exact opposite because of our “Back Door” approach to God’s mercy and forgiveness.
Performance based Faith always leads to disaster because we’re never good enough. This wears down even the best, and when the dust settles and the mask is removed, the true ugliness of who we really are is revealed, and Calvary becomes what Jesus Christ intended it to be. There is none good, no not one.
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10-05-2012, 04:02 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by NotforSale
First and foremost; Scripture reveals that great men can and do fail. In fact, we hold in our hand a Bible written by men who did atrocious things, including murder and adultery. Those who might gloat or embellish Bro. Blacks sin better beware. I have witnessed with my own eyes the stumbling that follows when people are drawn into the crowd of pointing fingers at others who sin.
I’ve been in the UPCI for 33 years, and have been a pastor for 17 years. People need to understand, the stress we deal with is beyond any profession that most individuals have ever done. Words can’t describe the heartache, sleepless nights, constant criticism, demands 24 hours a day, remaining constant when everything is falling apart, working with no pay, and dealing with rejection when people leave who have been greatly invested in by a pastor.
Bro. Black is not immune to any of these, and I’m positive that stress and demand are equated into the recipe of his bad choices. This is like what happened to Bro. McCary, but thank God there was no suicide.
One of our greatest flaws as an Organization is the emotional expectation of preachers and the laity. If we aren’t “Feeling Good”, running the aisles, then God must be on vacation. So we turn the volume up, signal the drummer for a bigger beat, scream louder into the microphone, all to wake our Savior who’s in the back of the boat, asleep during the storm.
God is in everything except, “The Still Small Voice!” We dance and sing like David, while we kill Uriah and sleep with his wife. The contrast here is horrific, but true. When my first pastor fell into adultery, losing his entire church and marriage, I realized that God is not in the song, the beat, the volume, or even in holy dress. Our church was deemed as being extremely spiritual, but was the exact opposite because of our “Back Door” approach to God’s mercy and forgiveness.
Performance based Faith always leads to disaster because we’re never good enough. This wears down even the best, and when the dust settles and the mask is removed, the true ugliness of who we really are is revealed, and Calvary becomes what Jesus Christ intended it to be. There is none good, no not one.
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Well Said, Bro.
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10-05-2012, 04:18 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by NotforSale
Our church was deemed as being extremely spiritual, but was the exact opposite because of our “Back Door” approach to God’s mercy and forgiveness.
Performance based Faith always leads to disaster because we’re never good enough. This wears down even the best, and when the dust settles and the mask is removed, the true ugliness of who we really are is revealed, and Calvary becomes what Jesus Christ intended it to be. There is none good, no not one.
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10-05-2012, 04:24 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by NotforSale
First and foremost; Scripture reveals that great men can and do fail. In fact, we hold in our hand a Bible written by men who did atrocious things, including murder and adultery. Those who might gloat or embellish Bro. Blacks sin better beware. I have witnessed with my own eyes the stumbling that follows when people are drawn into the crowd of pointing fingers at others who sin.
I’ve been in the UPCI for 33 years, and have been a pastor for 17 years. People need to understand, the stress we deal with is beyond any profession that most individuals have ever done. Words can’t describe the heartache, sleepless nights, constant criticism, demands 24 hours a day, remaining constant when everything is falling apart, working with no pay, and dealing with rejection when people leave who have been greatly invested in by a pastor.
Bro. Black is not immune to any of these, and I’m positive that stress and demand are equated into the recipe of his bad choices. This is like what happened to Bro. McCary, but thank God there was no suicide.
One of our greatest flaws as an Organization is the emotional expectation of preachers and the laity. If we aren’t “Feeling Good”, running the aisles, then God must be on vacation. So we turn the volume up, signal the drummer for a bigger beat, scream louder into the microphone, all to wake our Savior who’s in the back of the boat, asleep during the storm.
God is in everything except, “The Still Small Voice!” We dance and sing like David, while we kill Uriah and sleep with his wife. The contrast here is horrific, but true. When my first pastor fell into adultery, losing his entire church and marriage, I realized that God is not in the song, the beat, the volume, or even in holy dress. Our church was deemed as being extremely spiritual, but was the exact opposite because of our “Back Door” approach to God’s mercy and forgiveness.
Performance based Faith always leads to disaster because we’re never good enough. This wears down even the best, and when the dust settles and the mask is removed, the true ugliness of who we really are is revealed, and Calvary becomes what Jesus Christ intended it to be. There is none good, no not one.
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10-05-2012, 04:29 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by NotforSale
First and foremost; Scripture reveals that great men can and do fail. In fact, we hold in our hand a Bible written by men who did atrocious things, including murder and adultery. Those who might gloat or embellish Bro. Blacks sin better beware. I have witnessed with my own eyes the stumbling that follows when people are drawn into the crowd of pointing fingers at others who sin.
I’ve been in the UPCI for 33 years, and have been a pastor for 17 years. People need to understand, the stress we deal with is beyond any profession that most individuals have ever done. Words can’t describe the heartache, sleepless nights, constant criticism, demands 24 hours a day, remaining constant when everything is falling apart, working with no pay, and dealing with rejection when people leave who have been greatly invested in by a pastor.
Bro. Black is not immune to any of these, and I’m positive that stress and demand are equated into the recipe of his bad choices. This is like what happened to Bro. McCary, but thank God there was no suicide.
One of our greatest flaws as an Organization is the emotional expectation of preachers and the laity. If we aren’t “Feeling Good”, running the aisles, then God must be on vacation. So we turn the volume up, signal the drummer for a bigger beat, scream louder into the microphone, all to wake our Savior who’s in the back of the boat, asleep during the storm.
God is in everything except, “The Still Small Voice!” We dance and sing like David, while we kill Uriah and sleep with his wife. The contrast here is horrific, but true. When my first pastor fell into adultery, losing his entire church and marriage, I realized that God is not in the song, the beat, the volume, or even in holy dress. Our church was deemed as being extremely spiritual, but was the exact opposite because of our “Back Door” approach to God’s mercy and forgiveness.
Performance based Faith always leads to disaster because we’re never good enough. This wears down even the best, and when the dust settles and the mask is removed, the true ugliness of who we really are is revealed, and Calvary becomes what Jesus Christ intended it to be. There is none good, no not one.
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Great, insightful post.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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10-05-2012, 04:44 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Performance based Faith always leads to disaster because we’re never good enough. This wears down even the best, and when the dust settles and the mask is removed, the true ugliness of who we really are is revealed, and Calvary becomes what Jesus Christ intended it to be. There is none good, no not one.
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And how do you define "performance based faith"?
My Bible teaches everywhere we must obey God.
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10-05-2012, 04:49 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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I do not see scriptures where Christ holds that against a man or a woman.
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Against any man for what? Continue as Paster?
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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10-05-2012, 04:50 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Against any man for what? Continue as Paster?
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I think she was talking about this part of MTD's post:
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
...On the other hand A Pastor has been faithful to Christ yet had two women he trusted for marriage backslide, desert, and fornicate. He marries again on this basis and has been with the third faithful women for 16 years.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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10-05-2012, 04:55 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
I was...thank you Ms B.
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10-05-2012, 05:35 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Ok just make this general and not specific to the "Bishop" in this thread. A Bishop who has been in continued adultery can be forgiven and go on leading the Flock?
On the other hand A Pastor has been faithful to Christ yet had two women he trusted for marriage backslide, desert, and fornicate. He marries again on this basis and has been with the third faithful women for 16 years.
So is the first "Bishop" elgible for ministry but the second is not?
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If the two previous wives had been "put away" then they are "former wives" not current wives and he is now the husband of one wife. He is only married to one wife.
In John chapter 4 Jesus told the Samaritan woman, "you have had 5 husbands." Some of us would misquote Jesus and say, "lady, you have 5 husbands.
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