All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Sorry, didn't mean to ignore the question. Yes, I believe that one can believe that Jesus isn't God and be saved. As I said before, there's no scripture which teaches that one must believe Jesus is God to be saved. John 8:24 is usually the response scripture but that has nothing to do with one having to believe that Jesus is God to be saved.

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Can you give me the SHORT version of what it takes for a person to be saved?

Thanks...............

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Can one experience the blood without faith and repentance?

No.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

No.

Thank you then God does require something out of us.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Is the blood sufficient for redemption?

Is Christ's atoning death sufficient? Yes of course to both. The issue is HOW do we appropriate what Christ did on the cross? Unless you believe everyone is saved right now....

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Is Christ's atoning death sufficient? Yes of course to both. The issue is HOW do we appropriate what Christ did on the cross? Unless you believe everyone is saved right now....

That is the question but his answer?????????????????????

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Thank you then God does require something out of us.

Yes. Repentance and accepting what He did at the cross.

(Make that sincere repentance.)

[rdp]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Dr. Paul Ferguson, The Acts of Jesus Christ. Can't find it. Is it such an obscure work that you can't give a source for it? Oneness pentecostal fella I guess.

Then you need to dig a little deeper...Just as you do w/ the syntactical force of Acts 22.16. Dr. Ferguson is a very well-respected scholar. I found his works on-line in no time. You really need to fine-tune your research habits.

M.D. Treese, The Literal Word. Another rare obscure work by a oneness pentecostal?

Umm, Dr. Treece, while certainly not infallible, wrote, translated, & read the ancient language. I know numerous OP Greek professors. Your point?

Novel idea: Why not offer textual interaction as opposed to going into attack mode. Oh, that's right, you don't H-A-V-E any textual objections !

Talmadge French, A.T.F. Journal. Yet another oneness pentecostal source which is so meaningless that those outside the oneness pentecostal sect have never heard of such.

Just wondering, do you have a M.A. in Ancient Languages from a well-respected University? Didn't think so! Moving right along.....

You gotta realize, your scholarly sources are neither scholarly or unbiased. This is a joke, right? You're like the Jehovah's Witnesses publishing 'scholarly' works by Jehovah's Witnesses. It would be humorous if the work was not so poor and biased.

Umm, let's take a look at the number of Trinitarian exegetes I referenced: Drs. Wallace, A.T. Robertson, Dana & Mantey, BAGD, etc. ad naseum!

Psst, these are Trinitarians !

Seriously, just stop....You look foolish at this point.

Your 'biblical' salvation hinges on the confession of someone like Epley speaking on your behalf, not your own according to your flawed interpretation of Acts 22:16. You wish to take the individual calling upon the name of the Lord for himself and replace him with someone else. Just stay silent and let the preacher obtain your salvation, you say, but that's not what the language of the passage says at all. Rewrite scripture to state that it's teaching that Ananias is calling on the name of the Lord for Paul's salvation but that's just a complete bastardization of the greek text.

Ummm, it was Drs. A.T. Robertson, Dana & mantey, Dan Wallace who explicitly stated that the permissive-middle-voice denotes "allow this action to be done to you." Then, they specifically state that the participle (transl. "Calling") of means connotes the "all of the (same) nuances found in the verbs."

Guess Drs. Wallace, Dana & Mantey, Robertson should have consulted your expertise prior to their "bastardizing the Greek text" .

You wish for an individual to obtain salvation through another man's 'correct' works, having faith in a man's (the oneness pentecostal priest) work instead of Christ's work. And yes, Christ does have a finished work which is of course absolutely destroys your salvation through the preacher's work theology. That's why you're sick of the finished work of Christ.

"How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?" (Rom. 10.14; NASB).

Does this make the preacher the Savior or "salvation through the preacher's works?" Put you eraser down, it will still be there in eternity....As will Acts 22.16 & Acts 2.38!

You base your salvation on someone else's confession, their proper righteous works on your behalf. Of course that's taught nowhere in the bible, including Acts 22:16, but that doesn't prevent you from proclaiming the Romanist salvation theology at all. The only thing that's missing from your theology of salvation by the confession of another man on your behalf is a funny looking fish hat and a backward collar.

Remember this when you're worshiping the Roman "Trinity" or parroting her baptismal formula(e) !

Where can we find the "Trinity" taught in the Bible:_____________?

Been waiting on that blank to be filled out for almost 2,000 years now!

Repent & obey Acts 2.38 if you desire biblical salvation.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

OK...



Can you give me the SHORT version of what it takes for a person to be saved?

Thanks...............

Sure.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by johnny44

Boy this place is humming since Elder Epley came back.I hope he sticks around for awhile .

Now if we could get Pelathais and MFBlume here we would really be smoking.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Is Christ's atoning death sufficient? Yes of course to both. The issue is HOW do we appropriate what Christ did on the cross? Unless you believe everyone is saved right now....

Yes, that's the issue. How is one redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.