Water baptism, can you agree with this statement? - Page 30

BrotherEastman · #**291** 10-03-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Ooh .... Where did ya find that one?

Can't handle simple?

BrotherEastman · #**292** 10-03-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

How come your posts always crowd out my posts (which are generally better)?

I post and then refresh the page and there you are... and I'm bumped down a notch. Is this board controlled by ultra-liberals who are trying to prevent the masses from benefiting from my wisdom?

Ya gotta love Dan. My post was way too simple, not worthy of his response.

SDG · #**293** 10-03-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

How come your posts always crowd out my posts (which are generally better)?

I post and then refresh the page and there you are... and I'm bumped down a notch. Is this board controlled by ultra-liberals who are trying to prevent the masses from benefiting from my wisdom?

Pela ... surely you know I live here.

I love your posts ... you are one of my favorites. Really.

Nahum · #**294** 10-03-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

How come your posts always crowd out my posts (which are generally better)?

I post and then refresh the page and there you are... and I'm bumped down a notch. Is this board controlled by ultra-liberals who are trying to prevent the masses from benefiting from my wisdom?

Ultra-liberals?

LOL, that's a new one.

Fits Daniel perfectly.

BrotherEastman · #**295** 10-03-2007, 08:57 PM

Good night, I'll read later.

SDG · #**296** 10-03-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Can't handle simple?

Nah ... You win. I'm still a charismatic though.

Encryptus · #**297** 10-03-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The trouble is, that is not the way you have framed the discussion. You have never stated the proper response is found in Acts 2:38 (to my knowledge). Instead, you choose to push a full response that is limited to repentance.

BTW, I have a little bit of a problem with your continued labeling of myself and others as three-steppers. There are truly only two steps a new believer makes - repentance and baptism. Obedience to those two commands is our responsibility. The outpouring of the Spirit is GOD's responsibility.

I cannot stress enough that the message of Pentecost is an imperative, not a request. The men asked "what shall we do?" Peter responded "repent and be baptized' and then addedFOR the remission of sins

Key word is for.

There is no remission without repentance and baptism.

Period.

The problem with arguing doctrine around the word "for". In spanish we have two words translated as "for" Por and para. It helps with exact meaning.

The "for" you bolded has TWO possibilities:

For= in order to (your definition)
For= because of (Daniel's definition)

If yours then the act of baptism remits sin. If so it would be impossible to receive HG before water baptism.

If DA then you are baptism, for reason of your sins being remitted.

Frankly the verse seems to be supported in the latter view.

J-Roc · #**298** 10-04-2007, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Ooh .... Where did ya find that one?

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Take your marbles ... let's go ... Easty has cleaned house.

I'm weeping and laughing simultaneously.

tbpew · #**299** 10-04-2007, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Encryptus

The problem with arguing doctrine around the word "for". In spanish we have two words translated as "for" Por and para. It helps with exact meaning.

The "for" you bolded has TWO possibilities:

For= in order to (your definition)
For= because of (Daniel's definition)

If yours then the act of baptism remits sin. If so it would be impossible to receive HG before water baptism.

If DA then you are baptism, for reason of your sins being remitted.

Frankly the verse seems to be supported in the latter view.

Encryptus,
Do you have to die and be buried before you can be raised to newness of life?
or
Can you just be raised to newness of life because of what your saviour did without any death or burial involving your former life?

IF you can be born a second time while leaving the first birth goverance fully alive, what kind of a stew do you think is simmering on your stove? Is governor #1 going to put out the red carpet for governor #2? Not likely.

So Encryptus,
what is the remedy that the God has provided in your life for this opportunity for double-mindedness?

SDG · #**300** 10-04-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tbpew

Encryptus,
Do you have to die and be buried before you can be raised to newness of life?
or
Can you just be raised to newness of life because of what your saviour did without any death or burial involving your former life?

IF you can be born a second time while leaving the first birth goverance fully alive, what kind of a stew do you think is simmering on your stove? Is governor #1 going to put out the red carpet for governor #2? Not likely.

So Encryptus,
what is the remedy that the God has provided in your life for this opportunity for double-mindedness?

ah ... the 3 steppers and their analogies ... which one is it ... baptism is the death, burial ? Is repentance death? Why does Paul, Roman 6, say baptism represents all 3 ... death, burial and resurrection?

TBP, you are articulate but please understand that repeating what you believe and stating analogies and typologies that excite you ... do not doctrine make.