Urshan and Sabin Face the Music or Defend the Truth??: Video - Page 3

pelathais · #21 11-24-2007, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

I have seen the video and heard the debate at the time it was given. I must say that Bro Sabin did an excellent job of defending the truth as we/Oneness Apostolics say we believe it, but Bro. Urshan was lost amoung the more intellectual.

Bro. Urshan was more of an Apostolic politician than scholarly Biblical intellectual. Now his son Nathaniel Paul..I would consider him an intellectual Biblical scholar. He is a bit long-winded but appeals to the more intellectual types.

Mind you, I had good teaching growing up and even the youngest of us could defend the onesness of the Godhead quite well. For this reason I was a bit disappointed in the debate.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. This is only my opinion.

You are correct. But also, what we all saw was the end result of the editing process. Ankerberg wasn't in the business to make, or to even allow "heretics" to look good.

Rhoni · #22 11-24-2007, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

You are correct. But also, what we all saw was the end result of the editing process. Ankerberg wasn't in the business to make, or to even allow "heretics" to look good.

Pelathais,

You can blame some of it on 'editting' but not all of it. They didn't edit out many of the very knowledgeable statements of Bro. Sabin. Many of the Trinitarians I know of do not consider 'oneness' people "Heretics" and they are more apt to call us brothers than oneness folks are in the reverse.

Debates are good if done in the right spirit to bring a set of knowledge truths to the table to look at and make consessions when found to be in err. Many Trinitarians, like many of us desire to have and know more truths...it is a process. If we hunger and thirst after righteousness...we will find it.

It is when we close our minds to anything other than what we think or know that we become stagnant. The Bible declares that we all see through a glass darkly. All includes Apostolics as well as Trinitarians. We should be more united in searching truths than in declaring others wrong and going to hell.

Blessings, Rhoni

mizpeh · #23 11-24-2007, 04:34 AM

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It is when we close our minds to anything other than what we think or know that we become stagnant. The Bible declares that we all see through a glass darkly. All includes Apostolics as well as Trinitarians. We should be more united in searching truths than in declaring others wrong and going to hell.

Good point, Rhoni.

SDG · #24 11-24-2007, 07:01 AM

I wonder how much this debate weighed on Sabin in reshaping his soteriological position? Would this debate have been different if a PCIer had debated alongside Sabin? Why didn't Urshan say that there were men in his org .... like Goss ... who thought the Baptists were saved?

Why didn't Urshan allow this? Or was being on TV more important?

Raven · #25 11-24-2007, 07:46 AM

Dan
N A U was out of his element so doesn't fare well. No disrespect there, for KH, who is a close friend, wouldn't have done any better. I expected better out of Sabin and it was an off day for him but the results are symptomatic of our isolationism. We preach to the choir and get so many amens when we quote Acts 2:38 that we think our doctrinal approach is insurmountable ..... until we are asked some real questions!! I could think of several names [some on this forum] who would have finished those fellows off, mercilessly!!!

Raven

Rhoni · #26 11-24-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven

Dan
N A U was out of his element so doesn't fare well. No disrespect there, for KH, who is a close friend, wouldn't have done any better. I expected better out of Sabin and it was an off day for him but the results are symptomatic of our isolationism. We preach to the choir and get so many amens when we quote Acts 2:38 that we think our doctrinal approach is insurmountable ..... until we are asked some real questions!! I could think of several names [some on this forum] who would have finished those fellows off, mercilessly!!!

Raven

Raven,

I agree with you...to the point of adding many women in the mix who could have done the same

Blessings, Rhoni

SDG · #27 11-24-2007, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven

Dan
N A U was out of his element so doesn't fare well. No disrespect there, for KH, who is a close friend, wouldn't have done any better. I expected better out of Sabin and it was an off day for him but the results are symptomatic of our isolationism. We preach to the choir and get so many amens when we quote Acts 2:38 that we think our doctrinal approach is insurmountable ..... until we are asked some real questions!! I could think of several names [some on this forum] who would have finished those fellows off, mercilessly!!!

Raven

Sometimes as OPs we think our one liners will stump the "other side" ...

I can think of two instances in which NA looked like a deer in headlights ...

Once when he says "Have you obeyed Acts 2:38?"
the other when he asked if they believed if "Jesus is Jehovha?"

To both questions he got a "YES".

Quite frankly, the Bible College ... Search for Truth pat answers don't prepare you for this type of debate.

Raven · #28 11-24-2007, 08:07 AM

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Raven,

I agree with you...to the point of adding many women in the mix who could have done the same

Blessings, Rhoni

Absolutely Rhoni! Since my first-born was a girl I am somewhat biased, but we have some ladies on this Forum who don't have to take a back seat to any one! They can be formidable!!!
Raven

Rhoni · #29 11-24-2007, 08:10 AM

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Absolutely Rhoni! Since my first-born was a girl I am somewhat biased, but we have some ladies on this Forum who don't have to take a back seat to any one! They can be formidable!!!
Raven

Raven,

Heads up...be careful about agreeing with me...you might get hurt.

Blessings, Rhoni