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11-11-2007, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Any effort on our part is and should be a response to what has happen, because our effort in no way makes us righteous.
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Any "effort" on our part should also not be just our response, but an indication of a genuine conversion (change) into new creatures. In other words they should be the results of a new spirit nature.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-11-2007, 06:07 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Right! At least not in the "literal non consuming endless torture without any hope" variety.
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you DO believe people to go hell to a temporary punishment though right?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-11-2007, 07:19 PM
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Formerly known as CareyM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
We know that without the shedding of Jesus's Christ there is no forgiveness or remission of sins ?
So it takes an application of the Shed Blood Of the Lamb of God in order for a person to receive justification from a sinful state or unregenerate condition of the soul.
So when is the blood of Jesus Christ applied to a person's life ?
Is it at repentance ?
Is it at being buried in a watery grave in Jesus Name ?
Is it at receiving The Holy Spirit ?
When is the blood of Jesus applied ?I love the old hymn that says what can wash away my sin ,nothing but the blood of Jesus.
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When we are Baptized in Jesus' Name.
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11-11-2007, 07:21 PM
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Step By Step - Day By Day
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The blood is applied when and where it's needed. For all of us that happened when we asked forgiveness and repented of our sin and turned our lives over to Jesus Christ making Him Lord and Master of our lives.
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11-11-2007, 10:56 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
you DO believe people to go hell to a temporary punishment though right?
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Yes, of the pruning, correcting, purging, purifying variety.
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11-11-2007, 11:05 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Any "effort" on our part should also not be just our response, but an indication of a genuine conversion (change) into new creatures. In other words they should be the results of a new spirit nature.
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Yes, I agree. I am the righteous of God, because of what Jesus accomplished, and out of this reality I have both the will and the desire to live Godly in this present world.
Sorta like we become what those in authority around us say about us. Children tend to become what their parents declare about them, because the believe it must be so, if my parents say it.
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11-12-2007, 01:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
We know that without the shedding of Jesus's Christ there is no forgiveness or remission of sins ?
So it takes an application of the Shed Blood Of the Lamb of God in order for a person to receive justification from a sinful state or unregenerate condition of the soul.
So when is the blood of Jesus Christ applied to a person's life ?
Is it at repentance ?
Is it at being buried in a watery grave in Jesus Name ?
Is it at receiving The Holy Spirit ?
When is the blood of Jesus applied ?
I love the old hymn that says what can wash away my sin ,nothing but the blood of Jesus.
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When was the blood applied in the OT? When the High Priest carried the blood into the presence of God in the Holy of Holies. When was it applied in the NT? When our High Priest carried His own blood into the presence of God in the Holiest Place of heaven. Under the Old Covenant the blood wasn't applied to individuals. It was offered up to God as an atonement for sin, forming the basis for forgiveness and a covering for another year. The same is true of the blood of the New Covenant.
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11-12-2007, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
The Blood was applied to the mercy seat in the heavenlies over 2,000 years ago.
We appropriate Its benefits by our faith--demonstrated by obedience to the Gospel.
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I first heard this expressed this way, Elder, on FCF...so why is it that many of us were taught that the Blood is applied in baptism?!
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11-12-2007, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Barb
I first heard this expressed this way, Elder, on FCF...so why is it that many of us were taught that the Blood is applied in baptism?!
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Barb, me thinks that probably some uneducated preacher read the story of the blood applied to the doorway of each Israelite home in Egypt, and began teaching that in the same way the blood is applied to the door of our heart in baptism. 
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11-12-2007, 07:17 AM
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Non-Resident Redneck
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Barb
I first heard this expressed this way, Elder, on FCF...so why is it that many of us were taught that the Blood is applied in baptism?!
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Why?
LOL...
Why are a lot of incorrect things taught?
Folks repeat what they heard someone say without really checking it out.
This particular misconception is probably less harmful than many I have heard, though it is wrong, and like every wrong concept, it does have ramifications.
Historically, systematic theology has not been one of the strengths of the Oneness movement. Our challenge is to strengthen that particular facet of our approach without losing the other very vital things that have brought us to where we are today.
Too many groups have lost their original fire and passion when they began to delve into the intellectual side of their faith. Surely it is the will of God for us to have it all.
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