When Is The Blood Applied ?

Scott Hutchinson · #1 11-11-2007, 12:14 AM

We know that without the shedding of Jesus's Christ there is no forgiveness or remission of sins ?
So it takes an application of the Shed Blood Of the Lamb of God in order for a person to receive justification from a sinful state or unregenerate condition of the soul.
So when is the blood of Jesus Christ applied to a person's life ?
Is it at repentance ?
Is it at being buried in a watery grave in Jesus Name ?
Is it at receiving The Holy Spirit ?

When is the blood of Jesus applied ?
I love the old hymn that says what can wash away my sin ,nothing but the blood of Jesus.

crakjak · #2 11-11-2007, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

We know that without the shedding of Jesus's Christ there is no forgiveness or remission of sins ?
So it takes an application of the Shed Blood Of the Lamb of God in order for a person to receive justification from a sinful state or unregenerate condition of the soul.
So when is the blood of Jesus Christ applied to a person's life ?
Is it at repentance ?
Is it at being buried in a watery grave in Jesus Name ?
Is it at receiving The Holy Spirit ?

When is the blood of Jesus applied ?
I love the old hymn that says what can wash away my sin ,nothing but the blood of Jesus.

It was applied to the human race when Jesus shed it!

Praxeas · #3 11-11-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

It was applied to the human race when Jesus shed it!

Then nobody would have gone to hell, not even Hitler

Sam · #4 11-11-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

We know that without the shedding of Jesus's Christ there is no forgiveness or remission of sins ?
So it takes an application of the Shed Blood Of the Lamb of God in order for a person to receive justification from a sinful state or unregenerate condition of the soul.
So when is the blood of Jesus Christ applied to a person's life ?
Is it at repentance ?
Is it at being buried in a watery grave in Jesus Name ?
Is it at receiving The Holy Spirit ?

When is the blood of Jesus applied ?
I love the old hymn that says what can wash away my sin ,nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Well, Scott,
You'll get answers that will say it's at repentance, some that will say it's at water baptism, and others that it takes all three steps before the blood is applied. Then you'll get an answer that the Bible does not use the term of the blood being applied.

Scott Hutchinson · #5 11-11-2007, 12:21 AM

If The Blood was applied to the entire human race at Calvary ,why the need for a borned again experience ? Also then how can those who don't believe in Christ perish ?If one perishes that doesn't sound like delieverance.

pelathais · #6 11-11-2007, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Then nobody would have gone to hell, not even Hitler

uhm... I think that's crakjak's point, there Prax.

Praxeas · #7 11-11-2007, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Well, Scott,
You'll get answers that will say it's at repentance, some that will say it's at water baptism, and others that it takes all three steps before the blood is applied. Then you'll get an answer that the Bible does not use the term of the blood being applied.

I don't think I've heard a "three stepper" say that the blood is not applied until after all three steps. I think most I hear say at baptism or repentance, but that something ELSE happens at baptism or receiving the Holy Ghost (like sanctification)

Praxeas · #8 11-11-2007, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

uhm... I think that's crakjak's point, there Prax.

No, Crak believes people ARE in hell right now, but that eventually they too will be redeemed

SDG · #9 11-11-2007, 07:40 AM

The blood was applied at Calvary. I can't understand that , above all, I was on His mind.

SDG · #10 11-11-2007, 07:44 AM

Bernie Gillespie has a comprehensive 4 page article examining the historical evolution of Pentecostals as it applies to their theology on when the blood is applied ... and also answers this question here ...

http://www.inchristalone.org/WhenBloodAppliedpt1.html

Here is a taste of the confusing answers you will get from some within our movement:

Thank God, there are still churches where the message of the Cross and the language of the blood of Jesus is esteemed and adored. These churches are to be commended and encouraged for their convictions. Yet, even among these churches, there are Christians who seem to lack Hoffman’s clarity. While they would fight for the use of the blood in their hymnals and preaching, they are not clear as to what it means. For example, I recently read a column in a magazine1 where ministers were interviewed as to the question: “When is the blood of Jesus applied?” I was amazed at the disparity and confusion in their answers.

Here are some of those statements:

The application of the blood is not a one-time event.

Without the blood of Jesus, none of the steps we take in salvation would be efficacious. Forgiveness comes at repentance through His blood; sins are washed away at baptism through his blood.

The blood is applied through the entire new birth process.

The blood is applied when you repent, but I don’t believe it’s fully applied until you’re baptized in Jesus’ name. The reason some people get the Holy Ghost before baptism is because God honors their reaching out to Him in the process of repentance; you might say they get it on credit.

. . . the purging of the conscience takes place at baptism by the blood. The reason some people receive the Holy Ghost before baptism is because Jesus said that the one requirement for being filled is to be hungry.

I believe Scripture backs up the fact that the blood of Jesus is applied at baptism. . . . His blood is shed “for remission of sins.[”] This would seem to link baptism and Jesus’ blood together in the work of remission of sins. . . . If remission comes by baptism, then blood and baptism seem to be connected in their work. . . . repentance symbolizes death. However, the Bible says that life, not death, is in the blood. Finally, the blood is not applied when we receive the Holy Ghost, because this is the Gift that comes as a result of the work of atonement having been done.

Without the shedding of blood is no remission of sin. And we know from Acts 2:38 that both repentance and baptism are connected with the work of remission. And I think the culminating experience of receiving the Holy Ghost is a continuation of that blood flowing.

Finally, the view expressed by the editors was given:

In addition to our traditional way of thinking of salvation as a three-step process, we can also think of it as having two key aspects: God’s provision and our appropriation. In Acts 2:38, “for the remission of sin” is not tied to just baptism, but also to “repent and be baptized.” Together, these constitute our appropriation of God’s grace in our lives. Neither of those steps by itself completes the work of remission of sins. Only when a person first repents (turns away from sin) and then seals that commitment through baptism are sins remitted through Jesus’ shed blood.

These comments were taken from interviews of ministers of the United Pentecostal Church. These quotations reveal the UCPI’s general obscurity about the meaning and purpose of the blood of Jesus in the Atonement. They all hold to some notion that we must do certain things in order to appropriate the blood of Jesus. They are not in agreement as to how that is done. Some see the “blood applied” in repentance. Others believe it is only partially applied in repentance and is completed in baptism. Some say it is applied in both repentance and water baptism, but not as part of Spirit reception. Yet others say that the blood is applied in Spirit reception. Why such a discrepancy? This divergence of opinion obscures the vital purpose of the atoning blood of Jesus in God’s plan. It also reveals a lack of understanding of the meaning of the blood of Jesus in the Atonement.

1. Indiana Bible College Perspectives, Vol. 8, No. 4, p. 2.