divine flesh and original sin

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This is where the Elder once again wants us to accept his ideology as God given word ....

He establishes this false doctrine on the premise that life is in the blood ...

1. God is a spirit ... with no blood or sperm

2. All humans have 48 chromosomes. Through meiosis and then the reproductive process ... a man's sperm supplies 24 chromosomes and the woman's egg supplies 24 to make a total HUMAN ... W/ 48 chromosomes.

If we use Epleyian logic and natural laws and apply it to the baby Jesus that was conceived ....God's sperm/blood would supply 24 chromosomes and Mary would have supplied the other 24 ... to make Jesus ... half man and half God???

Or of course we can say he's all man and all God ... as the Elder still asserts ... and that would mean Jesus had 72 chromosomes ... making him not a human by any measure.

We don't have to explain the supernatural ... folks ... the virgin's conception is just that ... SUPERNATURAL ....

The Elder also forgets that what animated and created the living soul which we call man ... is not blood ... but HIS BREATH!!!!

God created the blood it was His blood, Acts 20;28. Did I say it was divine???
It was in the sense it came from God but it was HUMAN blood just like God created the blood in Adam. The 'life is in the blood' God said that not I. Mary CONCIEVED read it and weep. She was NOT an incubator but His mother.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

(Matthew 1:18) Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Please notice whose the child's father was... he was the child of the Holy Ghost... this implies a part in the child's creation

Duh .. c'mon SG ... no one denies that ... but to place this creation on God's sperm or blood is a huge leap in logic and theology.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Duh .. c'mon SG ... no one denies that ... but to place this creation on God's sperm or blood is a huge leap in logic and theology.

Did she get pregnant or not that is the question. She CONCIEVED.

Originally Posted by sola gratia

(Matthew 1:18) Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Please notice whose the child's father was... he was the child of the Holy Ghost... this implies a part in the child's creation

So, does that mean that Mary and the Holy Ghost had a divine tryst?

NOT!

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Did she get pregnant or not that is the question. She CONCIEVED.

Yes, of the seed (sperm) of Abraham.

[revrandy]

Again I do think Mary was pregnant of the Holy Ghost but I do NOT think there was a relationship along the lines of what we have today between and Man and Woman..

I do think that she was impregnated by the Supernatural and NOT the natural (method that is)....

[revrandy]

Jesus was fully God and Fully Man completely related to the Human race..

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Did she get pregnant or not that is the question. She CONCIEVED.

She sure did

but I ain't chalking it up to having to understand and detail how this happened ....

Sperm cells have 24 chromosomes ... blood has the complete set of 48 ...

so which one is it ... Elder??? ... the sperm that God created to impregnate Mary ... or the blood?

One would make Jesus half man and half God .... the latter would give Jesus 24 from Mary's egg and 48 from the divine created blood ...

giving Jesus 72 chromosomes ...

Elder ... give it a break ... PLEASE.

Heb 2:16 "...took on Himself the seed (sperma) of Abraham."

[SDG]

This stuff is making me cry ... !!!!!