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Old 07-27-2007, 08:15 AM
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Daniel, I would like to see a thread specifically devoted to the content of this post and its implications.

The result may be the biggest thread in forum history.
I think what is going on is a lot bigger than a thread ....

I have some thoughts about what is going on .... there is a lot going on here ... I will hope to post a new thread in an hour.
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:16 AM
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Randy Hollis is a close personal friend of mine. He and I were roomatss in ABI. We spent a considerable amount of time at the last GC talking about this very topic.

Actually, this is old news. I posted this quite some time ago on NFCF and no one took it anywhere.

He makes some very good arguments. Actually, this document has made its way up the UPC "food chain" and has been read by some of its "elite."

For clarification" The Ultra-Cons are just as lost as the Ultra-Libs, not for their several convictions, or lack thereof, but because of their "exclusive" spirit and judgemental attitudes.

I know that this came out of a personal struggle Randy had and wrestledwith the Lord. The result is what he felt the Lord showed him. You'd have to sit down with the man to feel his passion and broken heart. I have.

He would probably be considered to the "right" of me. He has taken some tough "hits" in his District but has never returned the "favor." He is a lover of God...this much I know.

You need to check out his church's web site.

http://thebelieverschurch.com/
I like some things you have presented here in your post MOW. I will go through Brother Hollis' web site and try to see what he is about.

I must say that what I read of what Daniel had posted from Brother Hollis sounded very much like philosophy.

Thank you for your post.

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Old 07-27-2007, 08:17 AM
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MY FRIEND MOW....

As you already know, you are a way out in left-field cock-eyed liberal. Right? So my question to you is, "Are the Ultra Cons LOST???

OK... maybe not cock-eyed. Luv ya, guy! You know I am kidding here. But, my question remains?
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:17 AM
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Actually, I have many issues with that article, both pro and con.
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:19 AM
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Bro. Ben...

You are TOAST, you...you Ultra Con.
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:20 AM
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PP, why don't you expound on those issues, which are presented in DA's post and we will discuss them. Papabear I think Pastor Poster is right about this.

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I don't want to steal Daniel's thunder here. He has brought an alarming issue to our attention.

Why are these organizations posting such an article on their websites? Are they using the current state of discontent within the UPC to their favor? Isn't this a very aggressive move on their part? I have a relative who has received calls from one of these organizations asking him to change his allegiance.

For years we have been warned the ultraconservatives would leave if the resolution passed. Now it seems there are options for those who will want to leave if the resolution dosn't pass.

Is this an organized effort to raid the UPC of libs and mods?
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:25 AM
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MY FRIEND MOW....

As you already know, you are a way out in left-field cock-eyed liberal. Right? So my question to you is, "Are the Ultra Cons LOST???

OK... maybe not cock-eyed. Luv ya, guy! You know I am kidding here. But, my question remains?



Ultra-Cons are as lost as "two boys kissing"






















Just as much as Ultra-Libs IF their attitudes are Pharisaical. Libs can be just as Pharisaical as Cons. It is not where a person stands that is as important as HOW they stand. I think Jesus points that out well when He cleanses the temple. He had far more mercy on the sinner than he did the "religious."

I am NOT casting doctrine to the wind, here. I am only pointing out the importance of a right relationship with the Creator and the creation.
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:26 AM
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I don't want to steal Daniel's thunder here. He has brought an alarming issue to our attention.

Why are these organizations posting such an article on their websites? Are they using the current state of discontent within the UPC to their favor? Isn't this a very aggressive move on their part? I have a relative who has received calls from one of these organizations asking him to change his allegiance.

For years we have been warned the ultraconservatives would leave if the resolution passed. Now it seems there are options for those who will want to leave if the resolution dosn't pass.

Is this an organized effort to raid the UPC of libs and mods?
Maybe we'll keep it here? And ask the admin to change the title?

If admin could ... please change the thread title to

Are the NCO and AWCF "raiding" the UPCI or providing a "safety net"?
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:32 AM
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concerning my initial read of the thread starting article:

I experienced an opportunity in my spirit to find agreement with giving attention to a pretty dramatic dicotomy in the phrases:
Rule Based
Principle Based


These are foundational in establishing the approach for delivery of a message, a counsel, an instruction in righteousness, or a correction among (or between) fitly joined members of God's body.

I submit that a "rule based" approach is the primary delivery system of viewholders that suppose there are RULERS in the body of Christ. By illustration: "God tells RULERS what is needed, and rulers tell hears what you should do (the rules)." The role of the messenger in this approach is mediator or go-between. There is an operation of authority applied involving the speaker and the hearer.

In my opinion, the Principle-based delivery system makes no such claim of being an intermediary or having any authority in any role 'with respect to' the hearer. The hearer is fully responsible for applying or discarding the principle. Also, the hearer must soberly consider the legitimacy of the messanger/gifting servant that is involved in this delivery experience.

Principle-based interactions between the mechanisms that God has provided (to bless/edify) AND the members of his body, leave fully intact the scriptural admonition to:
1.Work out our own salvation with fear and trembling
2.Study to show ourselves approved
3.Calling no man rabbi, for ye have ONE master
4.Having no Lords as the gentiles do
5.Considering those who are elders and leaders who have been provided as guides who must give account for their service in prospering our souls.
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:33 AM
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Ultra-Cons are as lost as "two boys kissing"

Just as much as Ultra-Libs IF their attitudes are Pharisaical. Libs can be just as Pharisaical as Cons. It is not where a person stands that is as important as HOW they stand. I think Jesus points that out well when He cleanses the temple. He had far more mercy on the sinner than he did the "religious."

I am NOT casting doctrine to the wind, here. I am only pointing out the importance of a right relationship with the Creator and the creation.
I agree.
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