Charismatic Sweep

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

If women do not cover their heads then they should just cut off their hair. This is what Western women do. They don’t cover their and then they whack off their hair.

And thus they bear their shame. The problem is the churches generally refuse to point it out, so they feel no shame. Same thing with immodest clothing, effeminacy in men, and a host of other shameful things prevalent in society that the churches for the most part fail to address.

[Bro Flame]

Originally Posted by diakonos

There are still some AG that live holiness. A rare find.

Extremely rare in my area, but that might be because the AG isn't terribly prominent around me. What few are around a pretty much Baptist churches that just haven't gotten around to changing their signs.

There are a few holiness churches, however. They're not Oneness, but believe in strict separation, outwardly, from secular entertainment, and all that sort of stuff. Some of them believe in the Holy Ghost, others do not.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by diakonos

There are still some AG that live holiness. A rare find.

Several years ago my mom and I met a sweet family at a Collingsworth Family concert from Goshen, IN. We didn’t know they were AoG, and they didn’t know we were Apostolic because we all looked the same.

She was a young widow with 2 small children the night she asked mom to pray for her as you went back to nursing school in order to provide for her little family. Down through the years we have become good friends, understanding the differences, yet with loving kindness showing them a more and perfect Way.

I shared this just to say that we have met other AoG folks at the CFam concerts who yet cling to the Holiness teaching…

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

Extremely rare in my area, but that might be because the AG isn't terribly prominent around me. What few are around a pretty much Baptist churches that just haven't gotten around to changing their signs.

There are a few holiness churches, however. They're not Oneness, but believe in strict separation, outwardly, from secular entertainment, and all that sort of stuff. Some of them believe in the Holy Ghost, others do not.

It's amusing how we always think in terms of holiness=standards. When pressed everyone of us will admit that holiness is a matter of the heart, yet we routinely say things like a particular church is a holiness church because of their standards of dress etc. We never say "There's a few holiness churches around, not oneness but they believe in purity of heart and separation to God in all things".

On a side note, if oneness is the truth there cannot be holiness apart from oneness. Otherwise fundamental Mormons are holy and have holiness. But then again, since most of us only think in terms of holiness=appearance plus no tv etc we don't seem bothered by the inconsistencies. Holiness is separation to God. Which god, then? Or does it even matter anymore?

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It's amusing how we always think in terms of holiness=standards. When pressed everyone of us will admit that holiness is a matter of the heart, yet we routinely say things like a particular church is a holiness church because of their standards of dress etc. We never say "There's a few holiness churches around, not oneness but they believe in purity of heart and separation to God in all things".

On a side note, if oneness is the truth there cannot be holiness apart from oneness. Otherwise fundamental Mormons are holy and have holiness. But then again, since most of us only think in terms of holiness=appearance plus no tv etc we don't seem bothered by the inconsistencies. Holiness is separation to God. Which god, then? Or does it even matter anymore?

Good point. But I use it as it is understood- a dress code.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It is a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven. That is why if she will not cover her head she ought to be shorn or shaven, because a woman praying uncovered is unseemly (shameful, inappropriate).

Cut hair is not the same as shorn or shaven though.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Cut hair is not the small horn or shaven though.

What?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by diakonos

What?

Oops I fixed it.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It's amusing how we always think in terms of holiness=standards. When pressed everyone of us will admit that holiness is a matter of the heart, yet we routinely say things like a particular church is a holiness church because of their standards of dress etc. We never say "There's a few holiness churches around, not oneness but they believe in purity of heart and separation to God in all things".

On a side note, if oneness is the truth there cannot be holiness apart from oneness. Otherwise fundamental Mormons are holy and have holiness. But then again, since most of us only think in terms of holiness=appearance plus no tv etc we don't seem bothered by the inconsistencies. Holiness is separation to God. Which god, then? Or does it even matter anymore?

It’s scriptural. Man looks on the outward appearance and God looks on the heart. We can’t see the heart (except by some sort of divine revelation) so we see someone that dresses in a fashion that God would be pleased with and we say “oh they must be holiness”. When in fact only God really knows if they are holiness or not. We DO know that the ladies cutting they’re hair aren’t holiness. We DO know that the men wearing skirts and the women wearing pants are not holiness. We do know that the men and women with earrings, makeup, wedding bands and such are not holiness. What we don’t really know is if that godly looking lady with her uncut hair, shame facedness and modest attire is really holiness or not, but God does. We don’t know for sure if that man with a godly looking hair cut and nice long sleeved shirt is really holiness or not, but God does!

[consapente89]

In other words...we don’t always know when it is, but many times, we know when it isn’t!