David Wilkerson heard from God....

[Amanah]

thank you Esaias, I wish we had a section where people could make teaching posts that we could refer back to for those like Votive and yourself and others who write great articles.

I feel confident with my knowledge of Hebrews 6 with one exception:
the doctrine of laying on of hands. Have you written something on that, that you can post?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

As it is I don't believe that way anyway, I just brought it up to make a point of how we grasp at straws so we don't have to put anyone in hell without changing our doctrine.

I understand, just adding that I knew of the doctrine.

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

But I have known trinity holy ghost filled people and I would put them over some oneness people for being Christians.

GD, I mean no offense, but the above doesn't mean a thing. Literally, does not have anything to do with right or wrong concerning the Bible. The whole "I have known" blah, blah, blah doesn't prove or negate Bible truth. I know Hindus, Muslims, Catholics, and Atheists who would be thought of as exceptional human beings. But our perception is our reality, we need to stick to the book. My father was a great guy, but he thought Christianity (and all religions) as the imaginations of primitives. My mother was a great person, but her views on God and the Church were as far from the Bible as the TV guide. I have visited full blown cults (12 Tribes Communities) which have some sweet people who you would think were the best thing since back pockets. But, all that Ecclesiastical Stepford Wives behavior doesn't negate book, chapter, and verse. So, I have known yada, yada, yada doesn't mean a thing. It lines up with "Haven't we done X Y and Z in your name?" or Haven't We Treated Loren Nicer Than The Apostolic Down The Road in Your Name?"

No, my father my mother, who I love so dear, and miss them both sadly didn't make heaven according to the Bible. Jesus and the apostles made some statements which make their religion extremely exclusive. Literally, it was Jesus' way, or the broadway which leads to destruction. You quote where Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself was the whole of the law. But so did Hillel the Elder. Because the theme of the law being embodied in how one views their near brother (another Israeli) was paramount to being able to not break God's law. Sadly, the Judeans were schismatic and fought among themselves concerning just about everything. Even while Jerusalem was being attacked by Roman legions the Judeans were as busy fighting among themselves as they were fighting the Romans. So, if we think that me or you being loving to everyone around us gets us a ticket to ride, then we will find ourselves somewhere other than heaven. The whole brouhaha in the Billy Graham thread, was predicated on Billy Graham's deeds according to his human recorded history. No one knows a man's heart but God, true. But if the guy is preaching a doctrine or doctrines outside of the Bible, then what is plain is plain. It isn't higher math to figure out the guy is going to bust hell wide open. Teaching Bible studies and getting the famous "You mean if I'm not X, Y, and Z I'm not saved?" BINGO! You win a cookie.

My lands, the would-be-neophyte has more guts than some Christians. they can figure it out, but instead of shaking like a puppy passing peach pits about telling them the truth, we should modify what the Bible is actually saying? All we need is love? The Gospel according to the Beatles? Apostolic Soteriology is paramount to getting the ball rolling. If someone is supposed to have the Spirit of Truth which is supposed to guide into all truth, and they are still Trinitarian? Then my dear brother, they need some Holy Ghost jumper cables to kick start their supposed Spirit of Truth. Because their GPS sadly isn't connecting to the satellite.

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Sadly you are right, that so many leave their brain at the door of the church, when it comes to religion. That is why I said Jesus did not come to start another religion, but a way of living.

But a way of living still requires that we are living the TEACHINGS of the New Testament Jesus and His apostles. Because the day will come when we stand before Him, and He points out to us that we didn't even come close to Living His Way. But totally our own way, based on our own perception, and our own emotional feelings. Can a man be more righteous than God? That my Brother Loren is exactly how American Churchanity feels. Because the God of the Bible most certainly wouldn't be on their Xmas list. Because He is exclusive, so very very exclusive. Jesus' idea of Christianity isn't for everyone, that is why the door is just opened a crack, and few will enter in.

[TGBTG]

Esaias,
Which wrong eschatology doctrine doom one's soul?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

thank you Esaias, I wish we had a section where people could make teaching posts that we could refer back to for those like Votive and yourself and others who write great articles.

I feel confident with my knowledge of Hebrews 6 with one exception:
the doctrine of laying on of hands. Have you written something on that, that you can post?

I think I have something off site about that, I'll dig it up tonight and get it posted, Lord willing.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Esaias,
Which wrong eschatology doctrine doom one's soul?

By eschatology do you mean "resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment"? Or do you mean opinions about how various prophecies have been, are being, or will be fulfilled?

Also, the issue isn't so much "which doctrines earn a ticket to hell" but more along the lines of "what attitude does one have towards the apostles' teachings?" Everyone is in a learning process (hopefully!) and the whole idea of being a disciple is to be a STUDENT or LEARNER. But some teachings follow a trajectory AWAY from what the apostles taught and believed. Follow those trajectories and the student finds himself outside the apostles' doctrine, which is dangerous.

Salvation is, in a large measure, being conformed to the doctrine of Christ as expounded by His apostles. "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I think I have something off site about that, I'll dig it up tonight and get it posted, Lord willing.

You have it on audio? YT?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Another thing, why don't subscribers get alerts when you add something to your channel?

[Strict Baptist]

I am somewhat befuddled considering the harshness of antirinitarians at the concept of a triad of any type that Wilkerson would garner such praise. He was an ardent Trinitarian...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

I am somewhat befuddled considering the harshness of antirinitarians at the concept of a triad of any type that Wilkerson would garner such praise. He was an ardent Trinitarian...

What do you do for a living again?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

I am somewhat befuddled considering the harshness of antirinitarians at the concept of a triad of any type that Wilkerson would garner such praise. He was an ardent Trinitarian...

David Wilkerson referred to Jesus as the Holy Spirit. I heard him with my own ears.

Secondly, I will not be fooled into lumping myself with antitrinitarian groups such as the JW's and Unitarians. My extremist brethren on here can if they choose, but I will not join them. In the first place, "Trinity" is just a word. God is a too big to be worried about an imperfect and inert way to describe his being, especially when the views of many Trinitarians are identical to those of Oneness believers. The Trinitarian camp is very diverse. Even our very own Daniel Seagraves says it is time to stop with charges of tritheism unless it is someone like Dake.