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10-17-2016, 12:15 PM
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Re: You'd Be Proud
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Thanks. It seems to imply that you could lose the Spirit of Christ if you don't work to overcome the flesh.
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That fits with the next few verses on what my interpretation of them is. the Spirit of Christ is in us so that we can nullify the force of the sin in our flesh, so that we are quickened, or empowered, to overcome and no longer be its debtors to live after the flesh. And if we are not LED BY THE SPIRIT in that way, to allow it to quicken us IN THIS LIFE (it's not talking about the rapture or resurrection), we will likely lose it. Those led but he Spirit IN THIS WAY are His children.
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10-17-2016, 12:55 PM
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Re: You'd Be Proud
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That fits with the next few verses on what my interpretation of them is. the Spirit of Christ is in us so that we can nullify the force of the sin in our flesh, so that we are quickened, or empowered, to overcome and no longer be its debtors to live after the flesh. And if we are not LED BY THE SPIRIT in that way, to allow it to quicken us IN THIS LIFE (it's not talking about the rapture or resurrection), we will likely lose it. Those led but he Spirit IN THIS WAY are His children.
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Agreed. We want to keep the "earnest of our inheritance". Don't want to give that away.
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10-17-2016, 01:15 PM
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Re: You'd Be Proud
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Sorry to be nitpicky here (lol), but are you saying a person is saved at Repentance? How is that possible when Mark 16:16 says that if you don't believe AND are baptized, you will be damned? |
You will notice that scripture says nothing about the HG or speaking in tongues... believe, and are baptized = salvation... those two points cannot be argued. And then spirit comes as a result of that act... the empowering of the spirit of the Lord through the gifts of the spirit.
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10-17-2016, 01:17 PM
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Re: You'd Be Proud
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You will notice that scripture says nothing about the HG or speaking in tongues... believe, and are baptized = salvation... those two points cannot be argued. And then spirit comes as a result of that act... the empowering of the spirit of the Lord through the gifts of the spirit.
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But did not you say they're saved at repentance, implying no baptism?
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10-17-2016, 01:17 PM
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Re: You'd Be Proud
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Rom 8:9....But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
I lean toward seeing spirit infilling as necessary for salvation. But that is a hard question in one sense. So, I am not dogmatic on what that verse is saying. The issue is not about salvation but overcoming fleshliness. So, although he may mention tenets of salvation there, I have to get more of a grasp on that detail.
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10-17-2016, 01:20 PM
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Re: You'd Be Proud
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But did not you say they're saved at repentance, implying no baptism?
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Me? No. At least I hope I haven't. No, I don't believe that at all.
Baptism is necessary for salvation. Multiple scriptures to back that up, including Mark 16:16
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10-17-2016, 01:21 PM
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Re: You'd Be Proud
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Me? No. At least I hope I haven't. No, I don't believe that at all.
Baptism is necessary for salvation. Multiple scriptures to back that up, including Mark 16:16 |
Oh, ok. Got confused somewhere. lol
Oh, Sherri said her husband preached on conception at repentance.
When you responded to Pressing On's post to Sherri I thought she orginally asked that of you.
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10-17-2016, 01:23 PM
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Re: You'd Be Proud
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Oh, ok. Got confused somewhere. lol
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Sometimes we think what we write is clear as a bell, and to others it is as clear as mud, lol... always good to clarify 
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10-17-2016, 01:37 PM
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Re: You'd Be Proud
It has been preached before that before actual NEW BIRTH, there is life since conception took place. A law in the old testament stated an unborn baby's death demands the death of the perpetrator if a pregnant woman is hurt in a brawl between two men, because it's an eye for an eye. So, NEW BIRTH is thought to work the same way, and someone is saved before they're born again in the Acts 2:38 experience, as though repentance is when Acts 2:38 starts like life starts.
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10-17-2016, 01:56 PM
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Re: You'd Be Proud
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Rom 8:9....But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
I lean toward seeing spirit infilling as necessary for salvation. But that is a hard question in one sense. So, I am not dogmatic on what that verse is saying. The issue is not about salvation but overcoming fleshliness. So, although he may mention tenets of salvation there, I have to get more of a grasp on that detail.
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I am sure that Bro. Blume has more to add to this as Romans 8:2 says, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."
Paul is preaching that the Spirit infilling freed him from the Law of sin and death, having Romans 7 comparing the difference between the Law of Moses and the New Covenant, the New Covenant being superior.
He uses the marriage analogy to bring his point - when a marriage partner dies, you are free from that marriage and you are free to marry another.
There is salvation in the Holy Ghost - you are free from sin and death. The Spirit of Christ is a huge deal to the Apostles.
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