"Help Me! Help Me Please!"

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Oh, and JD, stop with the racist remarks. It's unbecoming of you.

What is racist about stating that white people generally will not protest police brutality but black people (I did say minorities) would? It's a fact.

If this event had happened to a black person, in certain communities, there would be an uproar from the community-- and so it would be in the news.

Had this person been a male, there is a good chance he would have died during this episode. Many men would not just let you run up to them and close fist sucker punch them, especially if they KNOW they're not doing anything wrong!

So am I now being sexist too?


Instead of de-escalating this episode, they escalated it 100MPH with the close-fist sucker punch!

Good cops de-escalate.

Whatever happened before THAT moment didn't justify the 2nd cop's close fist sucker punch. He could have done his job without doing that. She was a woman for crying out loud-- a woman who was already pinned down to the ground.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I am so shocked that ANYONE could have heard the way that woman sounded and not RUN to help her. No one helped her, except for the person who recorded the video.

She could have died in those moments if the WRONG cops had responded, and there would have been one person recording it on video. Everyone else would have just gone about their business as if everything is right and normal.

There is nothing RIGHT or NORMAL about the actions of these cops.

She sounds like she is pleading for her life! Would you have helped her?

Some of you guys think she is wrong for being hurt. She is wrong for being scared. She is wrong for being human.

I don't get that at all.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Imagine if you were 7 years old and that was your mother, pleading for her life, right before your very eyes.

[Esaias]

Again, what was the arrest for?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Again, what was the arrest for?

That isn't even clear. There were charges against her, but they were all dropped once the video was made public and the court was able to see the pure aggression of these cops. Now the city of Carlsbad is being sued and these cops MIGHT see some kind of disciplinary action.

I hope they're BOTH fired and I hope the city goes bankrupt this lady is awarded such a huge award for what these two clowns put her and her children through.

[aegsm76]

Having grown up in a somewhat rough area, it is very common for people to scream and act like they are being injured, when taken into custody.
I will say again, that this was standard police protocol.
The woman was resisting arrest, by not letting the first officer handcuff her.
The assisting officer, who has minimal knowledge of the event, arrives and then they attempt to cuff her together.
She still is resisting, so he applies force to the only part of her body that he can reach, which is her face.
At which point, she ceases resisting the cuffs.
What would you want the assisting officer to do?
Break her arm, dislocate her shoulder?
It is a lot harder to cuff someone who is resisting then you may realize.
I believe if this goes to court, the officers will be vindicated.
However, the city may elect to give a payout rather than take the chance.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Having grown up in a somewhat rough area, it is very common for people to scream and act like they are being injured, when taken into custody.
I will say again, that this was standard police protocol.
The woman was resisting arrest, by not letting the first officer handcuff her.
The assisting officer, who has minimal knowledge of the event, arrives and then they attempt to cuff her together.
She still is resisting, so he applies force to the only part of her body that he can reach, which is her face.
At which point, she ceases resisting the cuffs.
What would you want the assisting officer to do?
Break her arm, dislocate her shoulder?
It is a lot harder to cuff someone who is resisting then you may realize.
I believe if this goes to court, the officers will be vindicated.
However, the city may elect to give a payout rather than take the chance.

So officers are trained to punch resisting women in the face?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

So officers are trained to punch resisting women in the face?

There you go!

They are trained to punch resisting women in the face.

They are trained to shoot and kill resisting men.

Had she been a man, he would have been dead.

[aegsm76]

They are trained to get control of the person and situation.
I cannot speak to the initial issue, but the assisting officer did nothing wrong.
What would have been your reaction if you were the assisting officer, just arriving on the scene?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

They are trained to get control of the person and situation.
I cannot speak to the initial issue, but the assisting officer did nothing wrong.
What would have been your reaction if you were the assisting officer, just arriving on the scene?

I do have limited police experience. It is limited by the fact that I was a Military Policeman, serving in combat zones.

I also have limited experience working as a Civilian Federal LEO.

So with my training and limited experience, I know enough to not punch the person I am subduing in the face, unless I have to.

If the situation has come to throwing blows, I would be likely justified in using deadly force because I am not going to let the person I am subduing get the upper hand of me.

So if deadly force is not appropriate in this situation, neither would punching the subject in the face.

Punching someone in the face is disrespectful and in most cases would only ESCALATE the situation. It would definitely be something that I would have a very hard time defending. With this video, if I were the 2nd officer, the one who actually punched the woman in the face, I wouldn't be shocked if I lost my job.

It is a highly insulting gesture and it wasn't necessary.

I always had other less-than-lethal resources at my disposal. However, I was always a professional AND I knew I was always on camera as a Civilian Federal LEO.