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Old 11-21-2014, 11:30 AM
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JD - go study up on the psychology of rape. There is a lot more to it then, well they should have done this or that.
I personally have long admired Bill Cosby, have many of his books and recordings.
But, in my court of public opinion, I believe he is guilty.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:42 AM
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JD - go study up on the psychology of rape. There is a lot more to it then, well they should have done this or that.
I personally have long admired Bill Cosby, have many of his books and recordings.
But, in my court of public opinion, I believe he is guilty.
Guilty of what?

Cheating on his wife?
I believe so.

RAPE?
I don't think so!

These women accusers served their purposes in his youth and now they want to collect in his old age.

It's the folly of foolishness!


Again, where are the police reports?

And the only reason you think he is guilty is because you have been listening to the conservative talk show outlets.

If the other outlets were making as much noise about this and the conservative talking heads decided that more should be done to substantiate the accusations, you would be saying the same thing.

But no, it appears that the conservative talking heads have decided to crucify Bill Cosby, and it is sad.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:50 AM
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I have the full quote below, but there are three parts I wanted to respond to separately.

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All this reminds me of what was done to poor Michael Jackson when he was alive.

One accusation settled out of court (AGAINST MICHAEL JACKSON'S INITIAL DESIRES) and the rest just seemed to flow in.
"poor Michael Jackson?" I'm not sure what to make of the accusations against him, but most of it was his own doing. It's not like the media forced him to have slumber parties with little boys. No one but MJ is responsible for the questions and accusations which came against him.

Bill Cosby has the same problem. He settled out of court and has suddenly become quiet about the accusations, and even demanded a question about it be "scuttled" from the interview. So any questioning and seeming rush to judgement is his own doing.


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All of the accusations seem suspect to me-- why come forward now?

Why pile on top of him now?
The question has crossed my mind. It seems these women were content to remain silent until Cosby had a new TV show and Netflix special. And as usual in these kind of cases, when one comes forward, there's usually a dozen or more who follow. I'm just glad I haven't seen the name "Gloria Allred" with any of these alleged victims. At least not so far.

Did the TV show and Netflix special have anything to do with them coming out? I would say so. Cosby was said to be on a comeback. Perhaps they couldn't live with him becoming America's beloved family patriarch again.



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There are black people being freed seemingly everyday now from botched trials and false testimony from the 70's and 80's-- where their accusers were or where the only witnesses were white AND LIARS OR MISTAKEN.
Angela Leslie is black. So is La’Chele Covington. Both accuse Cosby of sexual assault. Do not make this a race issue!

Speaking of liars, you do remember (maybe not), Cosby lied about having an affair for years before finally confessing to it.


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All this reminds me of what was done to poor Michael Jackson when he was alive.

One accusation settled out of court (AGAINST MICHAEL JACKSON'S INITIAL DESIRES) and the rest just seemed to flow in.

All of the accusations seem suspect to me-- why come forward now?

Why pile on top of him now?

What I do find interesting is the phenomenon of conservative media praising Cosby on multiple occasions before this season of accusation and now they are the ones that appear to be carrying on the most to stone him BEFORE anything can be proven.

There are black people being freed seemingly everyday now from botched trials and false testimony from the 70's and 80's-- where their accusers were or where the only witnesses were white AND LIARS OR MISTAKEN.

Where are the police reports for all of these so-called victims?

The racial climate in this country in the 70's would have ensured that Cosby, if guilty or even just plain accused, never would have seen the light of day in Hollywood back then. His acting career would have been done.

The 80's weren't much better for black people in many parts of country once accused of something sexual close to rape.

What does this have to do with anything? It goes to show the climate of the country at the time when it came to an unjust justice system.

If they were truly raped or wronged in the 70's or the 80's, blacks were put in jail for much less! They should have went to the law enforcement officials back then. I am very confident that something would have been done about it back then-- all it would have taken is just the accusation!

If Cosby is that much of a sexual predator, all they did was enable him-- FOR YEARS AND YEARS!

That is why all of the accusers are full of mularkey!

Who comes forward to tell that they willingly mantained a relationship with the guy that raped him?!

GET REAL!

They want his money!
Things with which I agree:

The accusers should have filed police reports;
Their silence these past decades could indeed have enabled him to commit even more assaults;
The woman who maintained a relationship and now is accusing him will have a hard time proving she was abused as her actions are not typical of victims


Things with which I do not agree:

I do not agree the victim's race has anything to do with this;
I do not agree money is the motivator, else there would be more than one civil lawsuit currently against him from one of his victims;
I do not agree big, bad, evil conservatives are the one's throwing stones against Cosby (Read the DB or HP at all lately, not to mention the Boston Globe and The Atlantic, among other liberal toilet papers);

Other things:

Were you around in the 70s to know what the racial climate was? I admit, I was too young to really know much during that time.

I do know Cosby was an icon in the 80s, and as such, Hollywood looked past his skin color so any accusations back then would have been swept under the rug in order to keep the cash money flowing in. Cosby made the network and recording studios rich. The only color which matters in Hollywood is Green.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:54 AM
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And the only reason you think he is guilty is because you have been listening to the conservative talk show outlets.

If the other outlets were making as much noise about this and the conservative talking heads decided that more should be done to substantiate the accusations, you would be saying the same thing.

But no, it appears that the conservative talking heads have decided to crucify Bill Cosby, and it is sad.
I'm sorry, but you're being blind here. I've read multiple articles on HP and the Daily Beast against Cosby. I've also read the headlines of articles from the Boston Globe, the Atlantic and other LIBERAL rags joining the chorus against Cosby.

Stop making this a conservative/liberal thing. The guy is being accused of sexually assaulting over a dozen women - black and white - over a couple decades. It's a serious issue which doesn't need some fake political drama injected into it.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:57 AM
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Guilty of what?

Cheating on his wife?
I believe so.
Glad you believe it, because after years of lying about it, Cosby finally fessed up years ago and admitted to it.
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Old 11-21-2014, 12:52 PM
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One of the accusers has contradictory stories
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I am not making this about race. I am saying that had these silly women really been raped, assaulted, yada yada back then, all they would have had to do is say the word and he would have been done.

That is reality.

Why just today there are three men on Death Row in Ohio where the only witness to there alleged crimes is a 12 year old boy who, "wanted to please the police and his parents" so he decided to lie.

Thank God those guys are going to finally be released! But their lives were RUINED!!!

But they were sentenced and condemned to die based on the lie of a 12 year old!

That is reality of our justice system in 70's and 80's.
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I was born in the late 70's but, like I said earlier, it is almost every day there is story after story of black males being accused in the 70's and the 80's and now being let free due to lack of evidence, the mistakes of their white accusers or in some cases, the lies of their white accusers.

What is happening to Cosby now is not becuase of his race. It is because of his money.

But had he been guilty of X, Y, and Z in 1971 or in 1981, we would be like Bill who today.

Just the accusation today has removed his shows from the TV Land repeat.

How much more so back then, when the so-called offenses(s) would have been fresh and easier to substantiate and/or investigate?
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I am not making this about race. I am saying that had these silly women really been raped, assaulted, yada yada back then, all they would have had to do is say the word and he would have been done.

That is reality.

Why just today there are three men on Death Row in Ohio where the only witness to there alleged crimes is a 12 year old boy who, "wanted to please the police and his parents" so he decided to lie.

Thank God those guys are going to finally be released! But their lives were RUINED!!!

But they were sentenced and condemned to die based on the lie of a 12 year old!

That is reality of our justice system in 70's and 80's.
The difference between the guys in Ohio and Cosby is Cosby was an American icon. These guys in Ohio were nobodys. Sad, but true. So regardless of the Justice System in the 70s and 80s, Hollywood takes care of their own without respect to any color except green.

I hope the 12 year old was arrested and prosecuted for his lies. Of course, any sentence given could never equal what they had to go through, but it would be something.

And if any of these women are lying, I hope it's revealed and they are dealt with to the fullest extent of criminal and civil law.

Crystal Mangum and Tawana Brawley both falsely accused men of rape and destroyed lives. Mangum suffered no repercussions from her lies. Unfortunately she went from being a liar to now serving time for murder. Brawley was ordered to pay almost $200,000, but ran off and went into hiding until she was found working as a nurse. Haven't seen whether or not she's paid anything since being found again.
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The difference between the guys in Ohio and Cosby is Cosby was an American icon. These guys in Ohio were nobodys. Sad, but true. So regardless of the Justice System in the 70s and 80s, Hollywood takes care of their own without respect to any color except green.

I hope the 12 year old was arrested and prosecuted for his lies. Of course, any sentence given could never equal what they had to go through, but it would be something.

And if any of these women are lying, I hope it's revealed and they are dealt with to the fullest extent of criminal and civil law.

Crystal Mangum and Tawana Brawley both falsely accused men of rape and destroyed lives. Mangum suffered no repercussions from her lies. Unfortunately she went from being a liar to now serving time for murder. Brawley was ordered to pay almost $200,000, but ran off and went into hiding until she was found working as a nurse. Haven't seen whether or not she's paid anything since being found again.
Cosby is an American icon.

However, in 1981 he wasn't.

Definitely not in 1971.

"I SPY" was good and all but he wasn't all that and Mr. Pudding Pop until the mid 1980's-- well into the popularity of the show with his namesake.

Anyway.

These silly women and the foolishness of Cosby with these silly women-- that is what we are seeing today.

He was foolish, but not a rapist.
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