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Re: Jesus' Plan of Salvation?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Yes but only in Mat does he use the symbolic gesture of Bread to represent his broken body and wine to represent his spilled blood.
It proves my first point about it being a figure of speech.
In the first verse he wasn't speaking of eating bread or drinking wine. He was speaking of His flesh and blood.
Here he uses bread and wine to SYMBOLIZE them
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The fact remains, when Jesus actually taught on eating His body, drinking His blood, it contained real elements, bread and wine. I'm not arguing if the bread and wine was symbolic or literal, that's for another time. My point is that Jesus plainly identified bread with His body and wine with His blood and the same reference to eating His body and drinking His blood is in both passages.
How does one eat the body, drink the blood of Jesus? Jesus Himself gave an example in scripture to follow.
This will result in eternal life, according to Jesus....
Joh 6:53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
Joh 6:54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
Joh 6:55 "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.
Joh 6:56 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.
Joh 6:58 "This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever."
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10-27-2013, 09:06 PM
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Re: Jesus' Plan of Salvation?
No. The fact is in John he was speaking of his death. His real body and blood. In Mat He was speaking of real bread and wine
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10-27-2013, 09:14 PM
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Re: Jesus' Plan of Salvation?
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No. The fact is in John he was speaking of his death. His real body and blood. In Mat He was speaking of real bread and wine
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Nope, you can't separate these scriptures and make eating and drinking Christ two different things.....
"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life"
"Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is My body." And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you;
for this is My blood"
The disciples of Jesus, per Jesus, ate His body, drank His blood, no argument there if you take Him at His word.
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10-27-2013, 09:32 PM
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Re: Jesus' Plan of Salvation?
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Jesus said eternal life was available through communion. I believe Jesus.
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John 3 links eternal life with a new birth from the Spirit of God. I believe Jesus.
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10-27-2013, 09:51 PM
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Re: Jesus' Plan of Salvation?
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John 3 links eternal life with a new birth from the Spirit of God. I believe Jesus.
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Do you believe Jesus when He said "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life"?
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10-27-2013, 10:40 PM
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Re: Jesus' Plan of Salvation?
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Do you believe Jesus when He said "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life"?
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I sure hope that John 6:54 isn't to be taken literally, since Jesus flesh died, was buried and was resurrected a sinless sacrifice acceptable to the Father. Heb. 10:12
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10-27-2013, 10:51 PM
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Re: Jesus' Plan of Salvation?
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I sure hope that John 6:54 isn't to be taken literally, since Jesus flesh died, was buried and was resurrected a sinless sacrifice acceptable to the Father. Heb. 10:12 |
When Jesus told His disciples that was His body and blood, do you think they believed it was His body and blood?
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10-27-2013, 11:27 PM
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Re: Jesus' Plan of Salvation?
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When Jesus told His disciples that was His body and blood, do you think they believed it was His body and blood?
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I'm not sure what the disciples thought, but I know what the others thought.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
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10-27-2013, 11:31 PM
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Re: Jesus' Plan of Salvation?
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I'm not sure what the disciples thought, but I know what the others thought.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? |
Yes, the Jews rejected Jesus.
Surely you believe the disciples accepted Jesus' words though, don't you?
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10-28-2013, 01:50 AM
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Re: Jesus' Plan of Salvation?
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Nope, you can't separate these scriptures and make eating and drinking Christ two different things.....
"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life"
"Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is My body." And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you;
for this is My blood"
The disciples of Jesus, per Jesus, ate His body, drank His blood, no argument there if you take Him at His word.
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Yes you can. Why?
Because they are two TOTALLY different contexts. Different days. Different audience. Different words.
John, outdoors, to the Jews, eating his flesh and blood
Mat, Indoors, to the Apostles, eating bread and wine to REPRESENT the flesh and blood.
But, hey, if you believe you need to save your own soul through works daily to earn Eternal Life...I can't stop you apparently
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- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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