Seekerman, while having no desire to debate the issue regarding "when" the shed sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ is applied during the salvation process, nevertheless I would like to note something that you seem to be missing.....
When reading statements uttered by our Lord Jesus Christ that are recorded in the gospel accounts,
it is important one make the crucial distinction as to who is speaking.... is He speaking as God (i.e.,
Spirit), or is He speaking as a human being? <e.g.,
John 5:30 ~
"I can of mine own self do nothing:"> This is to say, NOT every word that Jesus Christ spoke emanated from the
Spirit which dwelt within His fleshly body (most were, but not all).