Another Innocent Dead 17 yr Old

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Fact: Victim was a minor.
Fact: Victim was playing his music very loudly in his car as he pumped his gas.
Fact: The Supreme Court has established the right of this victim to play his music loudly.
Fact: Perpetrator approched the victim about the loudness of his music.
Fact: Conversation between victim and perpetrator yielded unsatisfactory results for the perpetrator.
Fact: Victim was killed in a public place.
Fact: Perpetrator fled the scene after committing the murder.
Fact: Police arrived and did not find any weapons, specifically a shotgun, on the person of the victim and not on the person or in the vehicle of the people he was with.
Fact: Perpetrator was apprehended several hours south and east of the crime scene and was arrested.
Fact: Victim was a young black male, a kid.
Fact: Perpetrator was an older white male, a full grown, mentally and physically mature, adult.


The style of music was probably a big factor-- which may or may not point back to the race of the victim. I live here in Florida and my gut feeling is that race was involved-- specifically race coupled with style of music.

Whatever the perpetrator's motivation, he thought he could get away with his murder and is now using the courts to defend his murder of a 17 yr old youth, who was doing something that many, many, many young people do on a regular basis.


Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law allows for these kinds of murders and this case could be indicative of a trend, indicative of a mindset that believes that one can kill whoever one wants, whenever one wants for whatever reason one wants and claim self defense.

"Fact, fact ,fact....VICTIM." So far, there has been no trial. So why are we acting like we know what the "facts" are,and whether or not there was a "victim"? This is where you are jumping to conclusions.

Before you mentioned the Martin case. Worry not. It was decided long ago that Zimmerman would be found guilty. There is not going to be an actual trial, just a show.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Sam,

So refute what he said. Making faces does not tell us anything. Some of us don't buy into this victimization mentality.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Hmmm, the Police found no shotgun in the vehicle.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Because this murderer is lying.
After he shot the unarmed teenager, he fled the scene and was found several hours south and east of Jacksonville in Brevard County.

Clueless.

There was no shotgun found in the VICTIMs car. Did you even read your news story or did you just see "black" in the title and ran with the race baiting story without reading?

The shooter, the murderer, claimed the victim had a shotgun but the police found none.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

If you are comparing this to Travon Martin and those that believed the shooting was justified under Florida's laws in self defense, you are seriously deluded.

If TM attacked Z then legally Z had a right to shoot. There is no Florida law that allows someone to shoot or kill over loud music.

This is just more race baiting IMO. If the kid was white or Latino or Asian few would make a big deal out of it

Part of the mantra of the left is to perpetuate the victimization fantasy that crackers are evil and are looking for every opportunity to stick it to a black person. The day our black friends stop believing this is the day the Democrat Party will lose a huge chunk of supporters.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Originalist

"Fact, fact ,fact....VICTIM." So far, there has been no trial. So why are we acting like we know what the "facts" are,and whether or not there was a "victim"? This is where you are jumping to conclusions.

Before you mentioned the Martin case. Worry not. It was decided long ago that Zimmerman would be found guilty. There is not going to be an actual trial, just a show.

Because the shooter is white and the victim black.

The rest of us consider that murder. JD see's it as racism. There is a lot of subjective emotionalism behind these kinds of events. Would JD have made this a thread if the kid was white? Probably not since he made it an EMPHASIS to note the kid was black.

When something is emotional, nobody cares about objectivity. People like JD would drag that white man out and beat the crud out of him now without a trial.

[Michael The Disciple]

If someone killed a man for playing music let the murderer be executed. Not 15 years from now when everyone has forgotten about it. No wonder the death penalty is not working as a deterent. By the time sentence is carried out no one remembers why.

As to the racial thing ever heard of THE KNOCKOUT GAME?

Hard time for about ten years if the victim lives would perhaps put a stop to it. If the victim dies as has happened before the one who struck them must have swift punishment by execution.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If someone killed a man for playing music let the murderer be executed. Not 15 years from now when everyone has forgotten about it. No wonder the death penalty is not working as a deterent. By the time sentence is carried out no one remembers why.

As to the racial thing ever heard of THE KNOCKOUT GAME?

Hard time for about ten years if the victim lives would perhaps put a stop to it. If the victim dies as has happened before the one who struck them must have swift punishment by execution.

Here, here.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Because the shooter is white and the victim black.

The rest of us consider that murder. JD see's it as racism. There is a lot of subjective emotionalism behind these kinds of events. Would JD have made this a thread if the kid was white? Probably not since he made it an EMPHASIS to note the kid was black.

When something is emotional, nobody cares about objectivity. People like JD would drag that white man out and beat the crud out of him now without a trial.

JD, are these accusation true? I've only recently started posting on the political threads here on AFF, so I am not familiar with your bent.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If someone killed a man for playing music let the murderer be executed. Not 15 years from now when everyone has forgotten about it. No wonder the death penalty is not working as a deterent. By the time sentence is carried out no one remembers why.

As to the racial thing ever heard of THE KNOCKOUT GAME?

Hard time for about ten years if the victim lives would perhaps put a stop to it. If the victim dies as has happened before the one who struck them must have swift punishment by execution.

We had a ballot to end the death Penalty. I heard it's chief proponent argue for it on the radio. He actually believes in a death penalty but the fact is ours was broken.

He explained that because of the process a death penalty candidate can expect to never see execution for a decade or more and because of the appeals process, special housing and the state paying for it all, it was actually cheaper to do away with the death penalty

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

We had a ballot to end the death Penalty. I heard it's chief proponent argue for it on the radio. He actually believes in a death penalty but the fact is ours was broken.

He explained that because of the process a death penalty candidate can expect to never see execution for a decade or more and because of the appeals process, special housing and the state paying for it all, it was actually cheaper to do away with the death penalty

I understand that. YEARS turn into decades waiting for an execution.

That is UNLESS its someone from the "far right".

Tim Mcveys sentence was very quickly carried out.

Paul Hills sentence was very quickly carried out.

Yet if the death penalty were used and lets say there was a limit of one year of trial and appeal and the execution was PUBLIC it would deter crime.

As it is we can expect FAR MORE violent crime.