Pedophilia in Kansas Church

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

No.

I am simply tired of the church ignoring the fact that hard-liners have huge moral issues. They hide behind a look while engaging in gross sin.

These are the guys who constantly push ministers out of orgs because of doctrinal impurities.

Wow. Big, fat, broad sweeping generalization there. I realize what you are saying, but don't cast everyone who makes a stand at a particular place in the same light. I realize you disagree with the UPCI (and are ex-UPCI), but your post sounds very bitter.

Why do we never hear about the ones who are doing good, 'hard-liners' like Larry Booker, busing in ghetto kids to church and helping kids who have no chance in life by giving them the Gospel and pushing them towards educations (as we often do in my 'hard-line' church).

[Esther]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Do you have a dog in the fight? If not your part of the problem instead of the solution. You are doing nothing to help the situation. If I'm not mistaken, the Bible has something to say about people trying to cause trouble. I think people would like to know your motive. Why you want to be judge, jury, and executioner on allegations. Let the authorities handle the case and pray for the alleged victims.

The AS statement has nothing to do with the alleged crime.
That organization is so irrelevant in christianity. Why do you think DKB feels the need to "revise" their history? He has as to justify the organization's existence to the sheeple.

You accuse TV1 as part of the problem then go and slam DKB, I guess it is who has their own agenda's?

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

This is news because it's the church of the guy who created the Affirmation Statement. You know, the guy who wanted purity? To kick all of the unholy people out?

From what I gather the allegations are that the pastor was having sex with young women and his son has a thing for underage males? Oh, and that the church finances are a mess and money is missing?

Yeah, that sounds like your typical ultracon holiness church to me.

The good thing is that brand of "Apostolic" is forever marked in that community.

My friend, I rarely respond/post much here; however, statements (such as the bolded section) really tend to get me riled up a bit. There are hundreds if not thousands of your so called ultra con churches. For you to allege that the "typical" ultra conservative church is one in which the pastor is committing adultery and the ministry staff are molesting children is not only absurd it is IMHO evil and vile.

There is no defense for the indefensible behavior that is alleged in this instance, nor for ANY other perverse and unrighteous action that robs a child of his/her innocence and scars them for life. There is no excuse for a pastor/leader to break their covenant of marriage for an affair and far worse IMO to use their office/position of authority to manipulate anyone regardless of their age causing them to partake in sinful acts. The truth of the matter is these things happen across the board in EVERY religious org trinitarian, oneness, independent, etc.

I know many conservative men who are wonderful Christians, love God, love their spouse and families, love their congregation, and live clean godly lives. Are there some who are mean spirited? Some who are lords over God's heritage? Some who make shipwreck? Absolutely! But what happened in this church is NOT TYPICAL of Apostolics (cons or libs) Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, etc. In fact (and I may take some heat here) I do not even believe it was "typical" in the Catholic church. There are millions of Catholics and by comparison few instances. Even one is too many and once more I am NOT defending the indefensible, I am just answering the charge that this is "typical" behavior for any church.

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

Funny stuff.

I am not afraid.

Evil men get by with these things because lemmings let them.

You employ the fear tactics of the ultracons.

These men have told story after story of people who have "left standards" only to fall into sin or some untimely demise. The premise is that legalism saves and protects.

Except it doesn't. We all have issues.

This illustrates the end result of works-based theology.

Flesh stinks no matter how you dress it.

As I posted earlier, at least they don't have TVs.

And there are Pharisees on both sides of the street...

[MissBrattified]

If this is a personal thing, then I have one thing to say:

"Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice," --Proverbs 24:17

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

If this is a personal thing, then I have one thing to say:

"Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice," --Proverbs 24:17

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[tv1a]

It is evident DKB is trying to legitimize his organizational stance by revising history. Those are facts. You don't put a lawyer in charge of writing history. DKB is writing a fairy tale.

Originally Posted by Esther

You accuse TV1 as part of the problem then go and slam DKB, I guess it is who has their own agenda's?

[tv1a]

Post of the Day.

Originally Posted by bishoph

My friend, I rarely respond/post much here; however, statements (such as the bolded section) really tend to get me riled up a bit. There are hundreds if not thousands of your so called ultra con churches. For you to allege that the "typical" ultra conservative church is one in which the pastor is committing adultery and the ministry staff are molesting children is not only absurd it is IMHO evil and vile.

There is no defense for the indefensible behavior that is alleged in this instance, nor for ANY other perverse and unrighteous action that robs a child of his/her innocence and scars them for life. There is no excuse for a pastor/leader to break their covenant of marriage for an affair and far worse IMO to use their office/position of authority to manipulate anyone regardless of their age causing them to partake in sinful acts. The truth of the matter is these things happen across the board in EVERY religious org trinitarian, oneness, independent, etc.

I know many conservative men who are wonderful Christians, love God, love their spouse and families, love their congregation, and live clean godly lives. Are there some who are mean spirited? Some who are lords over God's heritage? Some who make shipwreck? Absolutely! But what happened in this church is NOT TYPICAL of Apostolics (cons or libs) Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, etc. In fact (and I may take some heat here) I do not even believe it was "typical" in the Catholic church. There are millions of Catholics and by comparison few instances. Even one is too many and once more I am NOT defending the indefensible, I am just answering the charge that this is "typical" behavior for any church.

[houston]

Originally Posted by tv1a

It is evident DKB is trying to legitimize his organizational stance by revising history. Those are facts. You don't put a lawyer in charge of writing history. DKB is writing a fairy tale.

Yep

[MissBrattified]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dC6beL09tQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocJNTFXuR7Y

...wow.