Is Welfare a Right?

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by jfrog

And that's the problem with those screaming no welfare. It all comes back to this comment right here and this comment is about greed pure and simple. I can understand there's problems with the system. I can understand it might cause some bad things like laziness for some. But when the argument shifts from that to I want more money I just can't see the moral compass being in favor of your arguments anymore.

jfrog, why don't you go in tomorrow and tell your boss to cut your pay so he can give it to someone else. It's got to be greed for you to accept that much money! There are others who don't have anything. Why should you?

BT

[Jay]

Originally Posted by jfrog

And that's the problem with those screaming no welfare. It all comes back to this comment right here and this comment is about greed pure and simple. I can understand there's problems with the system. I can understand it might cause some bad things like laziness for some. But when the argument shifts from that to I want more money I just can't see the moral compass being in favor of your arguments anymore.

The problem with your post is that you are ignorant of my situation. I make less than 25K per year and with the various levels of government taking 1/5 of my total income, I have to afford food, gas, insurance, car payment, healthcare, rent, trying to reduce my debt, and other expenses of living. In addition, I also am required by Scripture to be generous support the work of the gospel, and give aid to the churches that need it.

You take a look at my budget and tell me what I should be doing with my money. I am not greedy, but struggling to survive. I do not have internet nor a landline in my apartment, I go without a lot of amenities and frills, and I am told how selfish I am, and how I have to pull my weight to pay for people who will not work, on welfare with kids by different men, drinking, gambling, carousing, etc. I know that not all are like that, but I live around enough Bums to be sick and tire of being taken advantage of. If they want to pull their weight, let them get a job and support the tiny minority of people who are actually incapable of doing anything. But in the mean time, do not call those like me who work more than 40+ to make our lives work, that we are selfish, greedy, and heartless because we do not want to hand out our money for stupidity.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

jfrog, why don't you go in tomorrow and tell your boss to cut your pay so he can give it to someone else. It's got to be greed for you to accept that much money! There are others who don't have anything. Why should you?

BT

nah. da boss can't know i don't want that much... he might decide to put more in his pocket instead of giving it to the poor

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Jay

The problem with your post is that you are ignorant of my situation. I make less than 25K per year and with the various levels of government taking 1/5 of my total income, I have to afford food, gas, insurance, car payment, healthcare, rent, trying to reduce my debt, and other expenses of living. In addition, I also am required by Scripture to be generous support the work of the gospel, and give aid to the churches that need it.

You take a look at my budget and tell me what I should be doing with my money. I am not greedy, but struggling to survive. I do not have internet nor a landline in my apartment, I go without a lot of amenities and frills, and I am told how selfish I am, and how I have to pull my weight to pay for people who will not work, on welfare with kids by different men, drinking, gambling, carousing, etc. I know that not all are like that, but I live around enough Bums to be sick and tire of being taken advantage of. If they want to pull their weight, let them get a job and support the tiny minority of people who are actually incapable of doing anything. But in the mean time, do not call those like me who work more than 40+ to make our lives work, that we are selfish, greedy, and heartless because we do not want to hand out our money for stupidity.

Why not end your self tax (of helping churches, probably by tithing + offerings... around 10-15% or more of your income) before you complain about the governments tax to help the poor?

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Jay

The problem with your post is that you are ignorant of my situation. I make less than 25K per year and with the various levels of government taking 1/5 of my total income, I have to afford food, gas, insurance, car payment, healthcare, rent, trying to reduce my debt, and other expenses of living. In addition, I also am required by Scripture to be generous support the work of the gospel, and give aid to the churches that need it.

You take a look at my budget and tell me what I should be doing with my money. I am not greedy, but struggling to survive. I do not have internet nor a landline in my apartment, I go without a lot of amenities and frills, and I am told how selfish I am, and how I have to pull my weight to pay for people who will not work, on welfare with kids by different men, drinking, gambling, carousing, etc. I know that not all are like that, but I live around enough Bums to be sick and tire of being taken advantage of. If they want to pull their weight, let them get a job and support the tiny minority of people who are actually incapable of doing anything. But in the mean time, do not call those like me who work more than 40+ to make our lives work, that we are selfish, greedy, and heartless because we do not want to hand out our money for stupidity.

I hope the reason the frog hasn't responded is that he is praying through and asking God to forgive him for calling you greedy, Jay. Don't quite understand his harsh response. In my opinion he was not very Christian. But, maybe I'm being too judgmental, too. Think I just go to bed!

Good night!

BT

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

I hope the reason the frog hasn't responded is that he is praying through and asking God to forgive him for calling you greedy, Jay. Don't quite understand his harsh response. In my opinion he was not very Christian. But, maybe I'm being too judgmental, too. Think I just go to bed!

Good night!

BT

I call it as I see it BT. The whole lot of yall screamin no wellfare because your life could be a little better without it are lousy. I can get that the system is broke and that there are far to many abusers of it. I get that. I hate it as much as you do. It tees me off that the abusers are takin both what is mine and what is bein given to the poor. But the solution is not to say SCREW ALL YALL... none of yall are goina get assistance now cause some decided to abuse it. The fact is there are poor who would die without assistance. I want yall to think a little more about them and what will happen to them when you take that assistance away... I want you to think about them more than you do the abusers...or even yourselves... I know its hard but try

So yea the systems broke... but talk about that instead of how much better off you could be if there wasn't welfare to pay for. Talk about how much better off both you, the system and the country would be if the abusers would stop abusing. Helping the poor is a good thing and I'm betting that none of yall would have a problem with welfare systems if there weren't soo many dagon abusers. But please stop talking about how much better your life would be if wellfare were just cut out... because with comments like that its implied that ya care more about having more money for yourself than about what happens to the people who really need the assistance. And I get you really want it cut out because of the abusers... but like I said in the last paragraph, don't forget about those it really does help. So please complain about welfare for the right reasons... and stop with this "my life would be better without having to pay for it"... cause we both know that's not really the truth for why you dislike our current welfare system so much. You hate it because of all the dagon abusers! At least I hope thats why

So I stand by it: yall are lousy... lousy at explaining yourselves and lousy at picking out the good points of your side and leaving the stupid dumb points alone

[FlamingZword]

no welfare, zero, zilch, nada

If you care about the poor and the needy that much then you give them your money, not my money.

I am taxed to support some people who will not work, the freeloaders.

Before there was welfare there was poverty just like now, but no one in America was startving. so all those doom an gloom scenarious are only lies.

I am a strong believer of no welfare whatsover. if a man will not work then neither should he eat.

in the bible, Ruth was a poor woman, yet you did not see her begging, she went out gleaning and earning what she got, she got nothing free.

[Jay]

The problem is that we decided to engage in social expiramentaion, and it has gotten us nothing but additional problems. We had economic reversals and recoveries, and it was treated as a part of life, yes people lost everything, but others made it big, anything was possible if one were willing to work hard. The fact is that now failure is rewarded and success is punished in the form of ever higher taxes.

The solution is cut taxes, cut the regulations that kill start-up businesses, and you will start to solve many of the problems in our country.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

no welfare, zero, zilch, nada

If you care about the poor and the needy that much then you give them your money, not my money.

I am taxed to support some people who will not work, the freeloaders.

Before there was welfare there was poverty just like now, but no one in America was startving. so all those doom an gloom scenarious are only lies.

I am a strong believer of no welfare whatsover. if a man will not work then neither should he eat.

in the bible, Ruth was a poor woman, yet you did not see her begging, she went out gleaning and earning what she got, she got nothing free.

I think no one reads anything anymore :/ And yes alot more people starved in America back before Welfare... I would consider gleaning from the fields a welfare system not a work for your food system.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Jay

The problem is that we decided to engage in social expiramentaion, and it has gotten us nothing but additional problems. We had economic reversals and recoveries, and it was treated as a part of life, yes people lost everything, but others made it big, anything was possible if one were willing to work hard. The fact is that now failure is rewarded and success is punished in the form of ever higher taxes.

The solution is cut taxes, cut the regulations that kill start-up businesses, and you will start to solve many of the problems in our country.

If you could work hard and anything be possible before a welfare tax then you can still work hard and anything be possible. When people start all this crazy rhetoric that really has nothing to do with the situation then I stop listening. Republican talk points really get old