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Re: Is the grass truly greener....on the other sid
Just for the record folks, I did not swear in the above post. Someone decided to remove the word I used anyway.
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Re: Is the grass truly greener....on the other sid
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Just for the record folks, I did not swear in the above post. Someone decided to remove the word I used anyway.
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It's automatic. They've added a list of words that bleep out.
I'm assuming you put c__p as the word.
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03-16-2011, 08:02 AM
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Re: Is the grass truly greener....on the other sid
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It's automatic. They've added a list of words that bleep out.
I'm assuming you put c__p as the word.
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Yeah. I just didn't want anyone to think I've taken up swearing!
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03-16-2011, 08:28 AM
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Re: Is the grass truly greener....on the other sid
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The church that I refereed to here in Missouri, literally transformed within a couple of months. Thats pretty quick...I think. I've had been there several times over the years, and always that it was a power packed church. Very Apostolic, if thats what you wanna call it. I recently visited, and there is no sign that it was a UPCI church at all. It's crazy....
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Obviously I don't personally know the church you are talking about so can't comment on that other than if I visited a church and there was no sign it was a UPCI church at all I would not consider that a bad thing!
I do think it is very problematical when a pastor "changes" a church in a very short period of time. Sometimes these pastors have themselves worked through all of this for years to come to where they are at but somehow expect the saints to just do a 180 and change overnight. Very unhealthy.
You can't take a group of people who have had legalism pounded into them for years and suddenly pull that rug out from under them. A lot of teaching about the shift from legalism to Christian principles must take place over an extended period of time.
A major exUPC pastor expressed it to a UPC preacher who was seeking his counsel something like this - "making a major change at a church is like turning a large ship. It takes a long time".
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"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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03-16-2011, 08:33 AM
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Re: Is the grass truly greener....on the other sid
Yeah ILG, "CREEP" is a terrible cuss word. You should have never put up with those creeps to begin with.
Please forgive me. I'm in a silly mood this AM.
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03-16-2011, 08:33 AM
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Re: Is the grass truly greener....on the other sid
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Obviously I don't personally know the church you are talking about so can't comment on that other than if I visited a church and there was no sign it was a UPCI church at all I would not consider that a bad thing!
I do think it is very problematical when a pastor "changes" a church in a very short period of time. Sometimes these pastors have themselves worked through all of this for years to come to where they are at but somehow expect the saints to just do a 180 and change overnight. Very unhealthy.
You can't take a group of people who have had legalism pounded into them for years and suddenly pull that rug out from under them. A lot of teaching about the shift from legalism to Christian principles must take place over an extended period of time.
A major exUPC pastor expressed it to a UPC preacher who was seeking his counsel something like this - "making a major change at a church is like turning a large ship. It takes a long time".
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I agree with this. I remember a dream I had when we were still pastoring and I was changing. I don't remember all the details but I remember the concept. It was something about breaking out of prison and that some people are simply not ready to break out. If they are forced to break out before they are ready it could destroy them, so you should never push or even strongly encourage someone to do something they cannot do. I remembered I was once a very conservative person. There is a time for everything and changing someone like this is like doing open heart surgery. One wrong move and you have total destruction.
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03-16-2011, 08:34 AM
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Re: Is the grass truly greener....on the other sid
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Yeah ILG, "CREEP" is a terrible cuss word. You should have never put up with those creeps to begin with.
Please forgive me. I'm in a silly mood this AM. |
Actually, change the two ees to an a and you have the correct word. 
Yes, I should have never put up with it. That goes to show what was wrong with me.
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Re: Is the grass truly greener....on the other sid
In all fairness Algae I seriously doubt that shows what is wrong with you!!!!!! LOL
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-16-2011, 08:39 AM
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Re: Is the grass truly greener....on the other sid
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In all fairness Algae I seriously doubt that shows what is wrong with you!!!!!! LOL
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No comprendo senor.
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03-16-2011, 09:04 AM
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Re: Is the grass truly greener....on the other sid
Rev.7:9-17
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
There are some versions that say "These are they which came out of THE great tribulation,....
It does not say THE Great Tribulation, in the KJV, but came out of great tribulation.
Some may yet go through great tribulation, and wash their robes, and make
them white in the Blood of the Lamb. Many have already gone through great
trials in this life and it caused them to desire to make their calling and election
sure.
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