Just Trying to Be a Good Father

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I really doubt there's a rule that says "do not fly paper hornets"...........

It hasn't been addressed in any way, but I am sure they would frown upon it.

I suspect the teachers know about it, and won't intervene too much as long as it stays just in fun and on the playground.

I have been a teacher, and know how they view these things.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I got suspended in 1978 in Cincinnati Ohio for doing just the same thing.

Except my paper bullet hit Mr. Link my science teacher...

He was not pleased..

Most of my clashes with the principal, in fact about all of them, were for scrapping.

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I really doubt there's a rule that says "do not fly paper hornets"...........

According to CS there is:

The latest rage at their little country school is shooting "paper hornets" off rubber bands at one another.

This is of course a non-sanctioned activity as far as the teachers are concerned...but, like when I was a lad, it goes on.

I asked them if they were fully aware of the fact that they were going to be in trouble with their teachers if they got caught shooting paper hornets...they affirmed that they were indeed aware.

I then asked them, in all honesty, if they planned to go ahead shooting them and take their chances...again, an affirmative answer.

My next question was, "Are you prepared to accept the consequences like men and not whine if you get nailed?"

[Malvaro]

Originally Posted by philjones

You were probably raised in some sissy state that had no real boys and now has few real men!

believe what you'd like.... there are lots of "real men" in the Midwest....

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I got suspended in 1978 in Cincinnati Ohio for doing just the same thing.

Except my paper bullet hit Mr. Link my science teacher...

He was not pleased..

In 9th grade, on the last day of school, I climbed out the window in my art class and ran around the school on a dare. The art teacher took me to the principals office, and the principal didn't believe her...cuz I was such a sweet and good student... I will say no more

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

I still don't see it Phil. I understand what you are saying and I see the nostalgia in wanting the Mayberry, Opie with a slingshot mentality but the Bible commands us to instruct our children to obey them that have the rule over you.

The rule is fundamental to the order and discipline of the school and in place to ensure that everyone's safety is regarded. Teaching kids to disregard the rule, as long as they are willing to suffer the consequenses is in error I believe. Further, how would CS being a pastor have any moral authority to expect that the rules of his Sunday School be followed, if he teaches his own kids to secretly break the rules at pulic school?

Just a Shephard,

I do understand, at some level, your thought process. But my feeling is that we have sanitized youth to the point that they learn all the wrong values and few of the right ones.

I guess my question is this, when those same authorities that say no paper hornets say no personal faith or no expression of free thought or ideas, what will you tell your children then? I know it is hypothetical but with the recent IMUS debacle and the subsequent cries from Jesse and Al for a broader look at what is and isn't acceptable public speech I feel that we are rapidly approaching the day when hypothesis becomes proof!

Our kids are not "allowed" to shoot paper hornets with a rubber band but they grow up to shoot each other with guns. They are not allowed to settle their disputes with fisticuffs and become best friends after so every dispute becomes final, as in death, and no future friendship is even possible. WE have destroyed the perspective or our youth by robbing them of the normal processes that allow them to become men and women with balance! Our mountain out of molehill mentality is destroying our kids!

Originally Posted by Malvaro

believe what you'd like.... there are lots of "real men" in the Midwest....

You know I was just kidding you! I am confident that there are many real men in the Midwest and you are one of them!

I am just an Okie born and I am Okie proud! We have our own definition of real men and although it might not be congruent with your definition ours is right!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by philjones

Just a Shephard,

I do understand, at some level, your thought process. But my feeling is that we have sanitized youth to the point that they learn all the wrong values and few of the right ones.

I guess my question is this, when those same authorities that say no paper hornets say no personal faith or no expression of free thought or ideas, what will you tell your children then? I know it is hypothetical but with the recent IMUS debacle and the subsequent cries from Jesse and Al for a broader look at what is and isn't acceptable public speech I feel that we are rapidly approaching the day when hypothesis becomes proof!

Our kids are not "allowed" to shoot paper hornets with a rubber band but they grow up to shoot each other with guns. They are not allowed to settle their disputes with fisticuffs and become best friends after so every dispute becomes final, as in death, and no future friendship is even possible. WE have destroyed the perspective or our youth by robbing them of the normal processes that allow them to become men and women with balance! Our mountain out of molehill mentality is destroying our kids!

Yeah, that.

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by philjones

Just a Shephard,

I do understand, at some level, your thought process. But my feeling is that we have sanitized youth to the point that they learn all the wrong values and few of the right ones.

They are not learning the wrong values from being sanitized, they are learning them from being polluted by the philosophies of the educational establishment and the values of unsaved friends in their peer group. That's why homeschooling is the answer most of the time.

I guess my question is this, when those same authorities that say no paper hornets say no personal faith or no expression of free thought or ideas, what will you tell your children then? I know it is hypothetical but with the recent IMUS debacle and the subsequent cries from Jesse and Al for a broader look at what is and isn't acceptable public speech I feel that we are rapidly approaching the day when hypothesis becomes proof!

First off, Imus deserved what he got. He is a vulger person who makes (made) a living insulting people and mocking others values. If I'm not mistaken, he's the author of "God's Other Son," a book making fun of preachers. His comments about the Rutgers players was over the top.

I don't care a bit for the Sharptons of the world, but Imus' problem was his sponsors left him to twist in the wind. It is legal to say whatever you want in America, but that doesn't mean others have to continue to support you financially.

As far as the disallowing of things Christian, we need to fight that in the right way. The difference is the moral foundation of the disobedience. We are morally obligated to diobey rules that tell us to deny God, not so with rules of conduct that are for everyone's safety.

Our kids are not "allowed" to shoot paper hornets with a rubber band but they grow up to shoot each other with guns. They are not allowed to settle their disputes with fisticuffs and become best friends after so every dispute becomes final, as in death, and no future friendship is even possible. WE have destroyed the perspective or our youth by robbing them of the normal processes that allow them to become men and women with balance! Our mountain out of molehill mentality is destroying our kids!

Not every fistfight ends with people being friends anymore Phil. What we are seeing is the influence of TV violence on society. "Since everyone on TV shoots someone and gets away with it, why can't I?" is the thought of the kids.

If I was a teacher in this day and age, I would welcome a day that I only had to deal with "paper Hornets". That really pales in comparison to all the other junk that we hear about. I would be tempted to join in the fun.