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Old 12-12-2008, 04:56 PM
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Re: The Light Doctrine

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No, respectfully that is not what it means.

The light doctrine teaches that people can be saved outside of Acts 2:38 if they never heard it.

I don't believe that. The Truth has been revealed. The Comforter has come. He will lead and guide those who truly want to be led.

Ignorance God once winked at, but now commandeth all men to repent.

The hungry will find Truth.

If the light doctrine were true, we should burn all the Bibles and shoot the preachers, because if people hear and reject truth they are lost. Far better never to hear it and leave them in a state of ignorance where they won't be accountable.

If the light doctrine were true, missionaries should all come home and avoid at all costs removing people from the state of grace their ignorance of the Word places them in.

The light doctrine is is false doctrine.

Think about where this leads, Sis.

It is heresy.

We are responsible to the Word, not just to the part that we managed to hear.
Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Wasn't that in reference to idols?
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Old 12-12-2008, 04:57 PM
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Re: The Light Doctrine

The Bible is here for anyone to read.

God will move heaven and earth to lead a hungry soul to truth.
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Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Wasn't that in reference to idols?
Ignorance of Truth is not excusable, whether your idol is a stone statue or a false doctrine and tradition.
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And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."


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Old 12-12-2008, 04:59 PM
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I guess my problem is I think is is more than Acts 2:38 to be saved. That is just the beginning.

Therefore, I can say I don't think we have all arrived with ALL the answers or if you will all the light.

I don't the Light Doctrine is a non UPC thing, meaning we expect everyone else to line up to the Light we have, when perhaps there is more Light that we are missing.

I don't know if I am expressing myself very well on this.
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Ignorance of Truth is not excusable, whether your idol is a stone statue or a false doctrine and tradition.
See that is my point, do WE have ALL the truth?
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The Bible is here for anyone to read.

God will move heaven and earth to lead a hungry soul to truth.
There are probably billions of souls that don't even know they're supposed to be hungry. Hell-bound souls?
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I guess my problem is I think is is more than Acts 2:38 to be saved. That is just the beginning.

Therefore, I can say I don't think we have all arrived with ALL the answers or if you will all the light.

I don't the Light Doctrine is a non UPC thing, meaning we expect everyone else to line up to the Light we have, when perhaps there is more Light that we are missing.

I don't know if I am expressing myself very well on this.
Acts 2:38 is the entrance to the Kingdom.

You aren't even in the Kingdom until you have obeyed it.

Of course it takes more than that, but without that you haven't even entered the Kingdom.
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Old 12-12-2008, 05:01 PM
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I don't know alot about the Light Doctrine, certainly not enough to say I believe it or not. I suspect, like many Apostolic doctrines, there are various variations of the doctrine. So, I can't really say I agree or disagree.

But, I will say this: Psa 119:105 Thy word [is] a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. If I understand anything about lamps is that they illuminate my surroundings, not my entire pathway. It shows me where I am, not where I have been, nor where I am going. A lamp shows me where I am. And the Bible does exactly that. It shows me where I am. I walk in the light as my pathway is illuminated. The Word lighted my pathway at repentance. I saw the "light"- the need to repent of my sins. I did so. Later, the Light showed me the need to be baptized in water. I did so. And so on.

I don't know if this is what is meant by "the Light Doctrine". But I am glad for the Light that shines in darkness!
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See that is my point, do WE have ALL the truth?
We have the truth required for salvation.

It will take eternity to reveal all of God.
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And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."


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Old 12-12-2008, 05:05 PM
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Re: The Light Doctrine

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

To me this scripture is pretty firm about who can enter or shall I say can not enter without at least this much of obedience.
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