Gay Marriage

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It wasn't the government that had the say. It was we the people that had the say.

I have no right to tell you who you can or cannot marry. That's entirely your business bro. And we should offer the same respect to all citizens of our country. Frankly, a solid Christian position would demand that the Government not recognize any second marriage unless the first was on the grounds of adultery. I assure you that sinful second and third marriages happen far more than gay marriages ever would. But it's easy to pick on gay people. Besides...a lot of those unholy second and third marriages are tithing members of the church.

Maybe the world would take us seriously about gay marriage if we were just as serious with straight marriages.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How our government goes can affect the rest of us as Christians.

As for a man marrying two or three women...that is actually the governments business too....Married people are given certain rights BY the government and I think they should have a say in the matter as far as polygamy goes. If they want to be religiously married, they can....anyone can. Gays can legally be married in a religious ceremony...it just does not get the recognition of the government

The Government has no right to recognize or not recognize a marriage of any form. It should be viewed as a private contract between two sovereign individuals. The government shouldn't focus on the form of union...but the contract in question. It's not the government's business if you marry a white person, a black person, a religious person, multiple persons, or even a person of the same gender. The issue should be...that it is a legal contract.

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by Antipas

The Government has no right to recognize or not recognize a marriage of any form. It should be viewed as a private contract between two sovereign individuals. The government shouldn't focus on the form of union...but the contract in question. It's not the government's business if you marry a white person, a black person, a religious person, multiple persons, or even a person of the same gender. The issue should be...that it is a legal contract.

Antipas

We still live in a Republic Democracy and thus we as a majority or those who we elect -- create our laws. We cannot let every individual do just what he wants to do. That is called anarchy. Next you will say if a man wants to marry his goat -- then it is his right go and marry his goat. If the majority of Americans do not want two men having sexual relations to have the same right as a man and woman doing the same, well -- then we must let the majority rule (as long as it doesn't go against God's word).

Have you hugged a tree lately?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

Antipas

We still live in a Republic Democracy and thus we as a majority or those who we elect -- create our laws. We cannot let every individual do just what he wants to do. That is called anarchy. Next you will say if a man wants to marry his goat -- then it is his right go and marry his goat. If the majority of Americans do not want two men having sexual relations to have the same right as a man and woman doing the same, well -- then we must let the majority rule (as long as it doesn't go against God's word).

Have you hugged a tree lately?

Hugged a tree? LOL YOU CAN'T PROVE A THING! lol Okay, I confess...I was young and needed the money.

No seriously....

What if the majority of Americans decided that whites couldn't marry blacks?

And consider this...perhaps the majority of Americans are shifting in their position towards allowing people to simply marry as they desire within their faith tradition, even if that includes gay marriage. I see it as a religious liberty issue also. What about liberal churches who wish to marry gays? Do they not have the right to that religious liberty?

As for humans marrying animals...I'm wondering why that was on your mind...but I'm not going to ask. Frankly, I would say that would classify as animal abuse. An animal cannot affirm or deny love or the desire to marry. Neither can an animal consent to or refuse sexual activity. It's animal abuse...and downright nasty.

[Aquila]

We need to focus on the CHURCH and strengthening our marriages and prohibiting unlawful second marriages in our own ranks. We are wasting time and money trying to control the world and their behaviors. If we would just focus on being the church...maybe we'd have some revival.

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Hugged a tree? LOL YOU CAN'T PROVE A THING! lol Okay, I confess...I was young and needed the money.

No seriously....

What if the majority of Americans decided that whites couldn't marry blacks?

And consider this...perhaps the majority of Americans are shifting in their position towards allowing people to simply marry as they desire within their faith tradition, even if that includes gay marriage. I see it as a religious liberty issue also. What about liberal churches who wish to marry gays? Do they not have the right to that religious liberty?

As for humans marrying animals...I'm wondering why that was on your mind...but I'm not going to ask. Frankly, I would say that would classify as animal abuse. An animal cannot affirm or deny love or the desire to marry. Neither can an animal consent to or refuse sexual activity. It's animal abuse...and downright nasty.

I am starting to think that Aquila and Antipas are the same person under two different pen names.

I used the example of a man and an animal because throughout history -- practically every society as looked down upon the practice. Hence, I used an obsurd example to bring shock value to the point.

In the end, you and I are talking about two different points (you --equality, me - democracay). By the principle of equality, your argument has its merits. Nevertheless, as Felix Frankfurther wrote, "It is a wise man who said that there is no greater inequality than the equal treatment of unequals." Sir, a person who does homosexual actions is not my equal -- he/she is committing an abomination in the eyes of God. Thus, I am thankful that still a majority in this country rejects this abomination.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

Yes,

We enjoy living here and oddly enough just in the last few weeks the leaves have begun to change colors. Where do you stay when you come?

Lake Hamilton Resort

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Lake Hamilton Resort

Ah very good. My family and I actually live in the Lake Hamilton community which is on the south side of the Lake. It is actually called Pearcy -- although the town of Pearcy is 5 miles down the road. As soon as one crosses over the Lake, Hot Springs proper ends. Let me say that the people here truly get involved with their school. They have a big inflatable wolf head that the players run through before the games.

[DividedThigh]

gay people want to jam there sexuality down the throats of all others, and you are supposed to like it, wont happen here, dt

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Marriage isn't sacred, per the gays. What are you breeders trying to preserve? asks the gays.

Hey, it if wasn't for the "breeders", the human race would end.
Sure can't depend on man with man. They can act like a male
and female all they want too. Two men cannot reproduce, no
matter how much they may try. God made them male and female
and you cannot improve on God's order.

After some so-called "sex experts" (along with Hollywood) began
to experiment and promote OS in the 50s and 60's, it seems a whole
lot has come out of the closet. Not just man and man, but man
and woman/wife have now come out promoting it as normal. Makes
me wonder how many "christians" have ever prayed over these
things! Now we have AS. Where will it end. As I said on another
thread, "If a man and wife do the things in bed that men with men
do, is it not of the same spirit that causes men to be with men???
We have heard of men in high places and in mega-ministries that
were found out to be doing the things than men with men do. Very
high places. Now we hear that a mega-church minister who stepped
down say he was molested as a child. I personally believe that many
times when children are molested, for some reason, although they
grow up and marry, there is something they still connect with because
of that molestation. Look at all of the boys who were molested by the
priests, and have such deep rooted problems.

God's Spirit-born people should know better! But you have to allow
the Spirit to lead and guide!!! And I promise you, HE's not leading in
that direction. It's may be a "spirit" but it's not the Spirit of the Living
God I serve!

I can say that with assurity!

Not to be offensive, but to provoke serious thinking.

Blessings,

Falla39