Unity of the Faith

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Also consider if the unity of the faith is based on Jesus APART FROM DOCTRINE then we should be fine with Trins. Also the JW'S and the Catholics and Mormons. They all believe in Jesus.

This statement is not correct. First of all you should be okay with "trins" they believe in Jesus for the most part the same way you do they just explain the godhead different. I've seen "trins" walk more in the power of the Spirit than some "ones".

You are incorrect on your statement of JW's, and Mormons. First of all Catholics are not in the same category as JW's and Mormons.

They don't believe in Jesus as we believe. There is no resemblance at all -- even the Mormons who are the Church of Jesus Christ. They have reduced Jesus to a man who lived right and obtained God status.

[Joelel]

What do you people do with scripture like this ? Put it on ignor.Yes there is division in the church as there was in the beginning but that don't make it right and they were rebuked for it. To start with Jesus is the word of truth,if you don't believe truth,then you don't believe in Jesus.You pervert Jesus when you pervert truth.So tell me what do you do with this word of truth,Jesus.

Rom.16
[17] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark(be on guard for) them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.[18] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Can you elaborate on the bolded statement about some being guests at the marriage supper, and some being the bride?

Please go to Salvational Issues,The bride or a guest.

[Joelel]

The problem we have now is,no one knows anyone they can rely on to have the full truth.At the time of Jesus they knew they could rely on the apostles to be preaching full truth because they were taught by Jesus.Now we have the Holy Ghost in us teaching us all truth,but some people don't know how to hear the Holy Ghost or can't hear him.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

How pitiful to see that Apostolics do not even believe Gods word on this matter.

10: Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Cor. 1:10

Doctrine is important. If all believe different doctrine that is division. To teach otherwise is to corrupt the truth.

A big Amen.

[Michael The Disciple]

You are accurate in stating that "doctrine is important" but you are incorrect in thinking that there is only one stream of doctrine. There are many doctrinal discussions in these threads and many times there is disagreement with the interpretation and usage of the scripture. To think that only one person is right would be foolish.

You could not be more wrong.

26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26

Just because there are many false doctrines does not prove that no one has the truth. That just proves that many are deceived.

18: For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
19: For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 1 Cor. 11:18

You are incorrect on your statement of JW's, and Mormons. First of all Catholics are not in the same category as JW's and Mormons.

How can you be sure of that? Isnt that just one of those "many streams"? And in what way are Catholics not in the same category as JW'S and Mormons?

If we cannot believe we are right about doctrine how dare we judge someone else!

If our stance is "I dont know if Im right but I know you are wrong" we have gone ALMOST as far from Apostolic Christians as we can go from the scriptures.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You could not be more wrong.

26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26

Just because there are many false doctrines does not prove that no one has the truth. That just proves that many are deceived.

18: For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
19: For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 1 Cor. 11:18


How can you be sure of that? Isnt that just one of those "many streams"? And in what way are Catholics not in the same category as JW'S and Mormons?

If we cannot believe we are right about doctrine how dare we judge someone else!

If our stance is "I dont know if Im right but I know you are wrong" we have gone ALMOST as far from Apostolic Christians as we can go from the scriptures.

Amen Michael,You know what alot of people don't understand is,there is nothing wrong with not knowing everything,but what is wrong is to speak things that is not true.Many times when someone says something and i'm not sure if it's truth,I just don't say anything untill the Holy Ghost teaches me the truth.The thing is if we don't walk in the Spirit we can get into all kind of trouble.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You could not be more wrong...

Just because there are many false doctrines does not prove that no one has the truth. That just proves that many are deceived.

You missed my point. I am not talking about false doctrine, I am talking about doctrines based on the Word that have different interpretations or levels of revelation. If there is only one pure and true doctrine with no variation whatsoever, then you would be the only one right, because I doubt that there is anyone who totally agrees with you.

Within all groups/denominations there are elements of truth and elements of man made doctrines. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree and still walk in love.

How can you be sure of that? Isnt that just one of those "many streams"? And in what way are Catholics not in the same category as JW'S and Mormons?

The reason I can be sure of that is that I know the Word and I have VERY close relations to these doctrines. My wife was raised Mormon. Her family is a direct decedent of Brigham Young. All but her brother is still a Mormon and I have worked over 20 years with this group of people.

I have a VERY close friend who is a JW and I have worked for about 6 years to convert her. I have spoken in dept to her and to my in laws. I understand what they teach and I know the spirit behind it.

I Jn 4:1
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(KJV)

While I don't put the Catholics in the same category, I would still say they are in major error, just in a different direction.

If we cannot believe we are right about doctrine how dare we judge someone else!

I think this is where you misunderstand me. We can be right about doctrine, but is "right" complete? There is always more revelation, more light, more understanding on any subject. To think that you hold the complete truth will get you into error as you will judge people for their revelation and you will grow stagnant and legalistic in what you know.

If our stance is "I dont know if Im right but I know you are wrong" we have gone ALMOST as far from Apostolic Christians as we can go from the scriptures.

Let me help you, scripture is the only thing you need to stay with anything else is just man's version of the scripture.