+++Very, Very Odd...Have you noticed this?+++

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Thoughts by T

Who knows. They say they are, but all of the people on that committee are either still UPC or have just left. If they are reaching out to everyone, and everybody, to every person that believes the truth, why arent there any PAW's or ALJC people on there?

I am NOT in favor of even a Tulsa meeting, let alone the new Fellowship org that is ALREADY in process.

However, I cannot and will not believe that the list of appointees is indicative of racism...no way!! I have not doubts that appointments were made according to an already, longstanding working relationship.

For instance, BJ Wilmoth is someone Bishop Wilson has mentored since BJ was a pup.

Listen, Bishop Wilson was my pastor at one time and I know for a fact he is NOT a racist...and exclusionist perhaps, but not racist.

What I mean by exclusionist, and I say this respectfully, is that I have first hand knowledge from days gone by that he will refuse fellowship with those whom he feels do not line up with his 'standards' of dress and the rest...that would include the PAW.

So, nothing in his behavior or opinions has caused me to think that he would change at this juncture.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Ethnic names are not displayed?

The very reason that anyone would even pay attention to that is a subtle form of racism.

Are you so racially conscience that it really matters. I kind of like the idea of foks just being folks without any thought of what is of a race concern or what is not. LIVE and just let LIVE. Let us get out minds off of each others skin color and the ethnic sounding names. I don't GIVE a FLIP if there IS/IS NOT any or all are African Americans....

By the way...what is an African-American???? Sounds like someone who is an African that happens to be in America who still holds allegiances to somewhere in Africa. Oh good grief!!!!!!!!! Wonder why some folk cannot assimilate?

These are my thoughts as well.

[MissBrattified]

Um. Weren't the invitations to the Tulsa meeting sent out to all the ministers in the UPCI? I suppose, then, if there are no other ethinicities (at least, those ethnicities made obvious by skin color) present, it would because of their own refusal or acceptance of their invitation...right?

The Tulsa group is obviously not yet a rainbow coalition. Their purpose is to protect the white American holiness standards culture.

I would bet the farm that they didn't investigate trying to send out advertisements and make phone calls to all the memberships of the PAW or other ethnic Apostolic organizations. After all, I'm sure they have some anti-TV folks too!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Ethnic names are not displayed?

Read the rest. What he meant was there are no people of those races listed on the committee.

The very reason that anyone would even pay attention to that is a subtle form of racism.

Baloney. It does not take a racist to be concerned about racism. That's absurd

Are you so racially conscience that it really matters.

Apparently yes, this person is. I'd rather be racially conscious than sub-consciously a racist

I kind of like the idea of foks just being folks without any thought of what is of a race concern or what is not.

That works out just fine when everyone on the list is of YOUR race though, doesn't it? See no evil, hear no evil?

LIVE and just let LIVE. Let us get out minds off of each others skin color and the ethnic sounding names. I don't GIVE a FLIP if there IS/IS NOT any or all are African Americans....

Well maybe...just maybe if our minds weren't on skin color REALLY...to BEGIN WITH...there'd be more other races in our ranks and in leadership positions in the organization. But even in the UPC the vast majority are white

By the way...what is an African-American???? Sounds like someone who is an African that happens to be in America who still holds allegiances to somewhere in Africa. Oh good grief!!!!!!!!! Wonder why some folk cannot assimilate?

Oh good grief indeed....hard to believe you just said that. They DO assimilate. In fact they were BORN here. I'm a European American...means only that my predecessors came here from Europe. It does not mean, as you asserted, that it means they hold national allegiances to somewhere else...BTW Africa is a continent, not a country...unless you are thinking of SOUTH African....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Ethnic names are not displayed?

The very reason that anyone would even pay attention to that is a subtle form of racism.

Are you so racially conscience that it really matters. I kind of like the idea of foks just being folks without any thought of what is of a race concern or what is not. LIVE and just let LIVE. Let us get out minds off of each others skin color and the ethnic sounding names. I don't GIVE a FLIP if there IS/IS NOT any or all are African Americans....

By the way...what is an African-American???? Sounds like someone who is an African that happens to be in America who still holds allegiances to somewhere in Africa. Oh good grief!!!!!!!!! Wonder why some folk cannot assimilate?

Oh BTW, not sure if another Admin got to this, but this is not acceptable. We don't cuss even indirectly or inuendos.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

True...

But if someone is looking (which I aint) there would be no trouble in recognizing what kind of name Osama Hussein Obama. That is about as MUSLIM as you can get.

Personally, I am not ready for a Muslim President...especiallly so soon after 9/11.

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

I will NEVER be ready for a Muslim President!

Oh boy.....That is NOT just a Muslim name. It's an Arabic name and there are MANY Arabic Christians...Good Grief. Obama is NOT a Muslim you people. Too bad he does not have a good white christian name like Johnson HAHAHAH

Obama went to Christian schools. His father ONLY was a Muslim and that father was OUT of Obamas life MOST of his life. He goes to a Christian church. Listen to the man...you ever hear him say Allahu akbar? Does his wife wear head coverings? He is an American...listen to the man. Good grief. That right there is ignorance which is what Racism is based on....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

These are my thoughts as well.

Matt! Racism is the tearing down of OTHER races to promote your own or out right hatred for all other races....simply nothing the LACK of OTHER races in a religious organization can't possibly be a form or racism. That is judging the person that made that post. Just because he is noting some concern does not make him or her a racist

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Turbid Bliss

The Tulsa group is obviously not yet a rainbow coalition. Their purpose is to protect the white American holiness standards culture.

I would bet the farm that they didn't investigate trying to send out advertisements and make phone calls to all the memberships of the PAW or other ethnic Apostolic organizations. After all, I'm sure they have some anti-TV folks too!

I think that accusing fine men of God of racism is something I don't want to have any part of. Have you ever been to Bro. Godair's church? (Any one of those on the list.) If you had, you wouldn't be jabbering about "white American holiness standards."

Since these men belong to the UPCI (or did), then it makes sense that they would invite the member ministers of THEIR organization. Furthermore, it is only your assumption that they have not invited other ministers from other organizations, and therefore not even worth discussing.

And since when are holiness standards "white" or exclusively "American"? You sound a bit racist yourself.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Um. Weren't the invitations to the Tulsa meeting sent out to all the ministers in the UPCI? I suppose, then, if there are no other ethinicities (at least, those ethnicities made obvious by skin color) present, it would because of their own refusal or acceptance of their invitation...right?

The post in question is not talking about who was invited to attend the meeting. It's questioning who is listed on the committees and heads and leaders of this new organization/fellowship