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Originally Posted by Brother Price

But, is Jesus now lower than the Father?

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 tells us, "For he (God) hath put all things under his (Jesus') feet. But when he (God) saith all things are put under him (Jesus), it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Jesus). And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Jesus), then shall the Son (Jesus) also himself be subject unto him (God) that put all things under him (Jesus), that God may be all in all" (parenthetical identifying of God and Jesus is mine).

Originally Posted by Joelel

Hi Chan,The biggest differance I think between the trinity and oneness teaching is the way they baptize.Jesus said to baptize in the NAME of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.Every place the deciples baptized they baptized in Jesus name.It would be foolish to think the deciples disobeyed Jesus.Are Father Son and Holy Ghost names? No,They are titles. Jesus said to baptize in the name. What is the Son's name? It's Jesus, Isn't It?

I really don't think that's the biggest difference, particularly since trinitarians did baptize in the name of Jesus at least into the fourth century. The only way to reconcile Matthew 28:19 and what the Apostles did is to take "name" to mean "authority" and not "appellation." Since all power (authority) was given to Jesus in Matthew 28:18, it is easy to see why the Apostles interpreted Jesus' words in Matthew 28:19 to mean all authority belonged to Jesus and that they were to baptize with that authority.

Jesus didn't come in his own name.Jesus Said In 1 John 5 ;43. I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.( Here we find Jesus came in his Fathers name ,So his Father's name is Jesus ? )

Again, name refers to authority and not appellation.

The Father sent the Holy Ghost in his Son's name.John 14:26. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, .( Here we find The Father Sent the Holy Ghost In Jesus name,So the Holy Ghost name Is Jesus.)

Again, authority and not appellation.

Eph.3:014 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 003:015 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, ( Here we find the whole family is named after the Father.( So Jesus Is A family name and is the name of the Father Son And Holy Ghost.)

I disagree with your conclusion that Jesus is a family name (what we would call a surname or last name).

Who did the Son inherit his name from?You don't inherit something from yourself.Heb.1:004 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. ( We find here Jesus Inherited his name from the Father. What name does a Son Inherit? The family name.)

I don't agree with this assessment.

May I ask a question here,we know a family is more then one,so who all is in this family ? 2nd question,Who did Jesus the Son inherit his name from ?

The "family" refers to all those "in heaven and earth "

The biggest difference between oneness and at least the trinity doctrine of the Creeds is that the doctrine of the Creeds says, along with 1 Corinthians 8:6, that we believe in "one God" and go on to identify that one God as "the Father." Oneness essentially says, "There is one God, Jesus."

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Chan

I really don't think that's the biggest difference, particularly since trinitarians did baptize in the name of Jesus at least into the fourth century.

You're right, Chan. The BIG difference is that oneness theology holds the truth that Jesus Christ is the one and only God of eternity, that there is no other god but Him. The error in the baptismal practice came from that truth being subverted, not vice-versa.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Hi,I agree with you on most of what you say but the word does say in Revelations not to add to the book of this prophecy.John was talking about the book of Revelations he wrote.We know that the bible is made up of many different letters written to different assemblies at different times and then several years later were all put together and made up what we know as the bible.When this was done there was many letters left out or not known about at that time.The apostle Paul was not taught by Jesus but he was taught by the Spirit as we should be. The word says the Spirit shall teach us all things.The Holy Ghost has taught me many things that is not in the bible. Is it wrong to add it to God's word ? No because it is God's word taught by God.

http://www.goodnewsinc.net/othbooks/barnabas.html
http://www.goodnewsinc.net/othbooks/hermas.html

I am not sure if you are the author of the sites you mention, but there are no Revelations.

It is The Revelation of Jesus Christ.

There is not another Revelation but that of Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by OGIA

You're right, Chan. The BIG difference is that oneness theology holds the truth that Jesus Christ is the one and only God of eternity, that there is no other god but Him. The error in the baptismal practice came from that truth being subverted, not vice-versa.

But PAUL said there is one God and then he went on to identify that one God not as Jesus but as the Father. THEN he said there is one Lord and identified that one Lord as Jesus Christ (see 1 Corinthians 8:6).

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Chan

But PAUL said there is one God and then he went on to identify that one God not as Jesus but as the Father.

Let me know when the light comes on.

THEN he said there is one Lord and identified that one Lord as Jesus Christ (see 1 Corinthians 8:6).

So, Jesus Christ is not God since He's not God the Father?

Plus, if Jesus Christ is the ONE Lord, what about the LORD (YHVH) of the OT? Can there be two? Scripture says there aren't.

Originally Posted by OGIA

Let me know when the light comes on.


So, Jesus Christ is not God since He's not God the Father?

Plus, if Jesus Christ is the ONE Lord, what about the LORD (YHVH) of the OT? Can there be two? Scripture says there aren't.

Jesus is the name that applies ONLY to God's "only begotten Son" and, thus, only to Jesus' humanity. Thus, NO, Jesus' humanity is not God. The title "Christ" applies only to Jesus' humanity. Thus, NO, Jesus' humanity is not God.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Chan

Jesus is the name that applies ONLY to God's "only begotten Son" and, thus, only to Jesus' humanity. Thus, NO, Jesus' humanity is not God. The title "Christ" applies only to Jesus' humanity. Thus, NO, Jesus' humanity is not God.

What part of Jesus IS God, Chan?



You forgot these:

Is Jesus Christ not God since He's not God the Father?

If Jesus Christ is the ONE Lord, what about the LORD (YHVH) of the OT? Are there and can there be two?

Originally Posted by OGIA

What part of Jesus IS God, Chan?

The DIVINE part.

You forgot these:

Is Jesus Christ not God since He's not God the Father?

If Jesus Christ is the ONE Lord, what about the LORD (YHVH) of the OT? Are there and can there be two?

The name Jesus applies ONLY to Jesus' humanity and Jesus' humanity is not God. The word LORD in all capital letters in the Old Testament is an INACCURATE translation of the Hebrew since YHVH does not mean "Lord."

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Chan

The DIVINE part.

So Jesus Christ had a split personality?

Where did this DIVINE part originate from? Was it a divinity separate from the Father?

The name Jesus applies ONLY to Jesus' humanity and Jesus' humanity is not God.

Do you believe God became a man?

The word LORD in all capital letters in the Old Testament is an INACCURATE translation of the Hebrew since YHVH does not mean "Lord."

Well, LORD is actually not a translation, either.

So, YHVH is not Lord then. Is that what you're saying?


One more, please: is Jesus Christ God at all?