Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by robert
Well, now that I got my name figured out, I'd like to say I think the old way of Holiness Standard should stay.But I'd like to stay at least in this generation. The thread says old not ancient. How about a thought on womens pants. Does any one even know what caused pants to be popular with women. Was it just a fashion that happened to come along or was it something else. What caused women in the U.S.A. to change the traditonal way to dress...no pun intended. Now you modern women go easy on me...please.
I believe it was basically for the same reason that men went from wearing skirts and robes to pants.....safety issues, better protection from the elements, etc.
BTW, traditionally, women started wearing pant-like garments centuries before men did in some countries.
There is a problem with teaching a 'no pants on women' standard in this country. Mainly because people from other cultures and countries live here. For instance, Indian women wear a pant-like garment and it's a women's garment. If we preach that wearing pants is cross-dressing, they will find you strange and delusional.
However, let's preach modesty in regard to matters of any and all dress. Now there you cannot go wrong. It will also cover (no pun intended) all eras of time. This might seem impossible, but understand that modesty definitions change from era to era. For instance, when men started wearing pants, not only were they considered women's apparel, but the men were considered to be immodest. Also, consider what was immodest for women 100 years ago and look at our Apostolic women today. Dressed immodestly for the standards of yesteryear.
This is my understanding and how I teach my children about what the Bible says. I live it, and so do they.
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
I believe it was basically for the same reason that men went from wearing skirts and robes to pants.....safety issues, better protection from the elements, etc.
Wow, Do you think if women continued as Eve was commanded by God...to be with the children and please her husband they would need pants for safety reasons...Seems Adam would have more need for pants toiling in the heat of the day to provide for the family.
BTW, traditionally, women started wearing pant-like garments centuries before men did in some countries.
Women were trying to wear the pants even before men did.lol...Where did you learn this info?
There is a problem with teaching a 'no pants on women' standard in this country. Mainly because people from other cultures and countries live here. For instance, Indian women wear a pant-like garment and it's a women's garment. If we preach that wearing pants is cross-dressing, they will find you strange and delusional.
Seems that if you come to another country from some where else it could be because you were not happy with where you came from. Kinda like people that don't want to learn the language, they want to have the benefits of the USA but not really completely become a citizen. Philippians 4:11...I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, wherewith to be content. Maybe we shouldn't use another culture as an excuse to do something different from our own culture and thse of other cultures should accept the new culture they chose to be in. I think we need to live for God in our country accordin to our customs. If modesty in our country in the beginning of it's existence was women wearing dresses then maybe it should have stayed that way.
However, let's preach modesty in regard to matters of any and all dress. Now there you cannot go wrong. It will also cover (no pun intended) all eras of time. This might seem impossible, but understand that modesty definitions change from era to era. For instance, when men started wearing pants, not only were they considered women's apparel, but the men were considered to be immodest. Also, consider what was immodest for women 100 years ago and look at our Apostolic women today. Dressed immodestly for the standards of yesteryear.
From my studies of pants on women, I found it interesting that many of the things that modern day women accept as OK today was all part of the feminist movement. Amelia Bloomer was the feminist that came out with the Bloomer costume..(The first womens pants)..and at first it was not widely accepted. This happened in the 1920's...the roaring 20's...the flappers...The women cutting their hair off Era.The beginning of a whole new way of women becoming liberated from their oppression by men. I don't believe in oppressing women. I believe in loving my wife as I love myself. Heavenlyone all I'm trying to get at is the liberation of women into a new and better way of lifestyle could have roots that are far from God's will. You may think I'm a paranoid idiot. I just believe the change that has occured to the modern woman ought to be looked into a little closer. Between periods of time when Israel went from pleasing God to disobeying God was hundreds of years. There were many changes occuring during these periods of time. Many things were gained and many things were lost. Israel had to start over each time God came back into the nation and find out what was acceptable that had been changed and forgotten. If we are entering into the latter day rain of the Holy Ghost...shouldn't we as well reexamine what we are doing and get back to the old landmarks that was the correct way of living in God's mind.
This is my understanding and how I teach my children about what the Bible says. I live it, and so do they.
I understand you are wanting to teach your children the
Bible way, but are you sure your not actually teaching them to accept what is the fashion of this particular time and era. Jesus said we would be living in a time as Noah before his return. I believe we are living in that time. That is why we should not accept the new modern way of religion. We need to get back to the original way of living for God. Seperation from the world does not mean to embrace and compromise with the world.
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
I believe we are to keep inward holiness principles and our standards will reflect that.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
I believe it was basically for the same reason that men went from wearing skirts and robes to pants.....safety issues, better protection from the elements, etc.
BTW, traditionally, women started wearing pant-like garments centuries before men did in some countries.
There is a problem with teaching a 'no pants on women' standard in this country. Mainly because people from other cultures and countries live here. For instance, Indian women wear a pant-like garment and it's a women's garment. If we preach that wearing pants is cross-dressing, they will find you strange and delusional.
However, let's preach modesty in regard to matters of any and all dress. Now there you cannot go wrong. It will also cover (no pun intended) all eras of time. This might seem impossible, but understand that modesty definitions change from era to era. For instance, when men started wearing pants, not only were they considered women's apparel, but the men were considered to be immodest. Also, consider what was immodest for women 100 years ago and look at our Apostolic women today. Dressed immodestly for the standards of yesteryear.
This is my understanding and how I teach my children about what the Bible says. I live it, and so do they.
Would I be correct in assuming that you are not UPC. If not are you Apostolic.
Dan"D
Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
I have this image of a game from the Price is Right (I know, TV show. Boo Hiss....)
It is a little swiss yodeler yodeling as he slowly moves back in time. YOUR job is to say "STOP" when he gets to the time that represents the "Old Paths" and "Old Ways". What time would that be?
Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by robert
I understand you are wanting to teach your children the
Bible way, but are you sure your not actually teaching them to accept what is the fashion of this particular time and era. Jesus said we would be living in a time as Noah before his return. I believe we are living in that time. That is why we should not accept the new modern way of religion. We need to get back to the original way of living for God. Seperation from the world does not mean to embrace and compromise with the world.
But are you not living the fashion of this particular time and era in how you dress? You surely don't dress like Jesus did, do you? Don't laugh....I know one guy who does....LOL!
Seriously though....where are 'holiness standards' ever preached in the Bible as we preach them today? Where is separation from the world in dress ever preached in the Bible? Where do we find Jesus or any of the apostles ever preaching on dress standards?
There are bigger problems in the church than what we wear. When our attitudes are right, we will dress right. This doesn't mean we have to be given a list of 'holiness attire'. There is no scripture to support such a concept. How can I preach to my children what 'holiness attire' is when there is no scriptural support?
I find lack of scripture a big problem. My kids are teens. They want to be shown where things are in the Bible.
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