Selling Out to Cash In.... Ex-Apostolics...

[Coonskinner]

C.M. Becton was raised PCI, but was never taught what is called "the PCI doctrine."

He said that even in the PCI, the majority of men were strong on the New Birth message.

He told me that the "saved at repentance" view was primarily a regional thing, in New Brunswick, Tennesse, and north Mississippi.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Again, I have no problem signing a document that affirms my belief in the New Birth message. However, I do think the AS has been used for reasons other than that.

It has been used to mandate the teaching of a particular code of conduct.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Whatever it may have been used for, that was the original intent.

Does anyone know of a single person who has ever lost their license because they weren't preaching standards to suit a district board?

I personally do not.

I think you would be hard pressed to come up with many, if any.

I know men all over who don't teach standards anywhere near even a moderate stance, and they receive no flack whatsoever.

Originally Posted by rrford

No way!!!! Not in the UPC! Don't you know they are trying to run all of the non-UC's out of the camp? They've been doing it for years.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

They made an insulting remark about the Name of Jesus not this Campbellite view he is espousing now.

I know a man who turned his own father-in-law in and had his license taken over standards. This would not have been possible without the AS.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I know a man who turned his own father-in-law in and had his license taken over standards. This would not have been possible without the AS.

I am sure that made for some interesting family gatherings at Thanksgiving and Christmas!!!

Did he steal the FIL's church as the icing on the cake?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

C.M. Becton was raised PCI, but was never taught what is called "the PCI doctrine."

He said that even in the PCI, the majority of men were strong on the New Birth message.

He told me that the "saved at repentance" view was primarily a regional thing, in New Brunswick, Tennesse, and north Mississippi.

Your forgot to add either Washington or Oregon, whichever one the Yadon's were at.

I would agree with C.M's assessment with that one modification. Based on what I know and have read I think what we call the PCI view was a minority view within the PCI. How big of a minority we don't know. I have never seen any stats as to how many preachers were licensed with the PCI at the time of the merger or where they were located at.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by CC1

Your forgot to add either Washington or Oregon, whichever one the Yadon's were at.

I would agree with C.M's assessment with that one modification. Based on what I know and have read I think what we call the PCI view was a minority view within the PCI. How big of a minority we don't know. I have never seen any stats as to how many preachers were licensed with the PCI at the time of the merger or where they were located at.

An old preacher I knew now deceased, used to say, "When I fly over Idaho I can smell them liberals down there..."

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by CC1

Your forgot to add either Washington or Oregon, whichever one the Yadon's were at.

I would agree with C.M's assessment with that one modification. Based on what I know and have read I think what we call the PCI view was a minority view within the PCI. How big of a minority we don't know. I have never seen any stats as to how many preachers were licensed with the PCI at the time of the merger or where they were located at.

No it was NOT an minority it was widespread in the PCI particularly in much of the leadership. However there were some men that did believe the new birth. Parts of Missiouri, Arkansas, N. Miss., W. Tn. were heavy saved at repentance. And leaders such as Goss, Yadon, Gurley were PCI men.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by CC1

Your forgot to add either Washington or Oregon, whichever one the Yadon's were at.

I would agree with C.M's assessment with that one modification. Based on what I know and have read I think what we call the PCI view was a minority view within the PCI. How big of a minority we don't know. I have never seen any stats as to how many preachers were licensed with the PCI at the time of the merger or where they were located at.

I agree.

He didn't mention the northwest, perhaps because the numbers were a lot lower out there.

The Yadons did believe that way, but I don't know how many others did.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No it was NOT an minority it was widespread in the PCI particularly in much of the leadership. However there were some men that did believe the new birth. Parts of Missiouri, Arkansas, N. Miss., W. Tn. were heavy saved at repentance. And leaders such as Goss, Yadon, Gurley were PCI men.

You certainly would have a better knowledge of this than I would.

I was only repeating Elder Becton's opinion.

[Felicity]

I think that what is interesting and also telling is the number of PCI belief men who have been involved in the top tier of leadership in the UPCI over the years.

I agree with Bro. Epley. I think the numbers of men who were PCI are higher than what many think because as the point has been made many times you would never have known. We all preached with the same emphasis overall.

People tend to view things from their own perspective so those from certain areas in the south might think the percentage was low but we had the advantage of traveling all over the fellowship and fellowshipping with those from WEC as well.

You talk around the table in fellowship and you talk while travelling together and you talk while visiting with people in their homes. You talk, you share, and you "learn".

[CC1]

If the so called PCI view men were in great numbers they sure did a disasterours job of doctrinal teaching to those they mentored since their view is virtually gone from the UPC.

If their intent was to not be contentious they were such pacifists about their view that it pretty much died with them with a very few exceptions.