They have no shame

[shag]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

l will answer your questions when you answer mine.

Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or No
Have you stopped cheating on your taxes? Yes or No
Have you stopped committing adultery? Yes or No
Have you stopped blaspheming? Yes or No
Have you stopped cursing? Yes or No
Have you stopped stealing? yes or No
Have you stopped dishonoring your parents? Yes or No
Have you stopped lying? Yes or No

I only want Yes or NO answers.

Yes (x8)
Rom. 6:1-2

Now if you're done playing games, answer according to the scriptures like you said you would.
Also, are you still going to preach nt tithing?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by shag

Yes (x8)
Rom. 6:1-2

Also, are you still going to preach nt tithing?

Yes (x8,000,000,000,000,000,000,0000,000,000,000)
Acts 20:27

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Yes (x8,000,000,000,000,000,000,0000,000,000,000)
Acts 20:27

Acts 20:27? And this proves Paul taught tithing?

Again, just resign already!

[FlamingZword]

This thread was started about the preachers who ask for more than the tithes and offerings, and basically want to strip the Christians of 100% they got, so how did it got off track?

Those are definitely rotten preachers, focus on them.

can we please get back on track?

If you are not willing to give at least a 10% to God, I am not really interested in hearing about your miserly and stingy theology, that wants to give nothing to God.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Acts 20:27? And this proves Paul taught tithing?

Again, just resign already!

you resign.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

you resign.

I have nothing to resign from.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

This thread was started about the preachers who ask for more than the tithes and offerings, and basically want to strip the Christians of 100% they got, so how did it got off track?

Those are definitely rotten preachers, focus on them.

can we please get back on track?

If you are not willing to give at least a 10% to God, I am not really interested in hearing about your miserly and stingy theology, that wants to give nothing to God.

And of course none of this is based on scripture.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

This thread was started about the preachers who ask for more than the tithes and offerings, and basically want to strip the Christians of 100% they got, so how did it got off track?

Those are definitely rotten preachers, focus on them.

can we please get back on track?

If you are not willing to give at least a 10% to God, I am not really interested in hearing about your miserly and stingy theology, that wants to give nothing to God.

What constitutes asking for an offering that is above and beyond what is called for? What turns requiring more than a tithe avarice? What is the limit a respectable man of God can call his church to give before he becomes a rotten preacher?

Jesus told the rich man to sell everything and give it to the poor. What that calling for too much?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

This thread was started about the preachers who ask for more than the tithes and offerings, and basically want to strip the Christians of 100% they got, so how did it got off track?

Those are definitely rotten preachers, focus on them.

can we please get back on track?

If you are not willing to give at least a 10% to God, I am not really interested in hearing about your miserly and stingy theology, that wants to give nothing to God.

Ah, hah!...Busted!

You think that giving to you is giving to God.

You think you represent God as a recipient of tithes.

Matthew 12:37

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

What constitutes asking for an offering that is above and beyond what is called for? What turns requiring more than a tithe avarice? What is the limit a respectable man of God can call his church to give before he becomes a rotten preacher?

Jesus told the rich man to sell everything and give it to the poor. What that calling for too much?

I teach the tithe and then the offering.

the offering is any amount you want to give extra above the tithe.
the amount is between you and Jesus, if he tells you to sell everything and give it to the church like the early disciples did, then that is between the person and Jesus.

There is never any amount set for the offering, it is a freewill offering.

I would never ask or even suggest to anyone to take out a loan or put their offering in a credit card. Neither would I ask people to stop paying their rent or bills and give that as an offering.

Our last church, always bought food supplies and had a food pantry for those in the church who were tight on their budget. The money to support the food pantry came from a portion of the offerings people gave.

If someone could not pay the bills and if the church had enough left in the budget then a small check was written to those church members.

Our social ministry was low key, since the church was not rich.
I preached every Sunday (that was before I became a Sabbath believer).
and never touched the money from the offering, it all went to pay the church bills. Any money left over was put into a church fund.

So for over 30 years I have preached baptism in the name of Jesus, without ever getting so much as 1 cent from the ministry. I tried to follow Paul's example of preaching without being a charge to the church, I have always worked to support my family.

I see the scriptures and in my interpretation (which some disagree with, I get it) I believe that asking for the tithe is a sound biblical principle, of course there will be those who will demonize me for teaching the tithe, but that is between them and God, (who are you to judge another man's servant? I am a servant of Jesus Christ and I stand or fall before him)

I really do not want to debate the tithe haters any longer, they will simply will not see things as I see them. It is like arguing with Trinitarians an endless argument that ends in futility.

I will teach the oneness of God but I refuse to engage in debates about the trinity.
I will teach the tithe but I now refuse to engage in debates about the tithe.