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View Poll Results: Adino's statement (in post #1) expresses my understanding concerning water baptism:
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10-03-2007, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bishoph
Boy! I think this is fist time I've ever been yelled at in a forum. I am not going to do endless searches to find out where you stand on every topic that comes up just because you may have stated it somewhere in forum-land. It is obvious by your evasion of a yes or no answer where you stand. You do not believe in the necessity of baptism for salvation.
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Dan believes in the necessity of water baptism for salvation as a command to be obeyed like loving your brother but it's not necessary to have someone invoke the Lord's name over you during the act of baptism.
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10-03-2007, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bishoph
The rest is simple, there is no need to debate with you about it, because you have your mind already made up, (which is fine...let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind) and you will not answer the questions, or you simply ignore what you cannot repudiate.
Why then do you continue the dialogue?
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I have stated this earlier in the thread.
I guess, since Dan changed his mind, he thinks that if he repeats his beliefs often enough someone else might join him. Not likely to happen but it is possible. Might even be probable if he lost the spirit of the martyr and discussed it with civility instead of with an attitude of boxer behind on points in the 15th round of a championship fight.
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10-03-2007, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bishoph
The rest is simple, there is no need to debate with you about it, because you have your mind already made up, (which is fine...let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind) and you will not answer the questions, or you simply ignore what you cannot repudiate.
Why then do you continue the dialogue?
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BH ... let us all decide what is truth indeed. As for being unable to repudiate ... ROFL.
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10-03-2007, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by philjones
I have stated this earlier in the thread.
I guess, since Dan changed his mind, he thinks that if he repeats his beliefs often enough someone else might join him. Not likely to happen but it is possible. Might even be probable if he lost the spirit of the martyr and discussed it with civility instead of with an attitude of boxer behind on points in the 15th round of a championship fight.
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I know a good "cut" man ... maybe you should get that eye checked out?
Civility? That's new here ... when did that happen?
Phil ... have anymore of that turtlewax?
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10-03-2007, 02:01 PM
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It is interesting to me that some would say baptism is essential only because it is commanded, but not because it has any salvational merit. That is simply double talk to me!
If this is the case then we must be, at least in part stating that baptism is merely symbolic of an inward work of grace. Which I find hard to substantiate in scripture. The OT was a school master to bring us to Christ, and it is filled with types and shadows, or symbolism. When the New Covenant was enacted, the types/shadows and symbolisms were fulfilled not just re-symbolized.
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10-03-2007, 02:04 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
No ... they repent, get baptized and receive the baptism of the HG all in one sitting.
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since when?
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10-03-2007, 02:05 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Originally Posted by Encryptus
Strange, to be in the majority no 3 stepper has stepped up to the issue of someone receiving the HG before "having their sins washed away in baptism"
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News flash, ya don't get the HG w/out repentance.
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10-03-2007, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bishoph
It is interesting to me that some would say baptism is essential only because it is commanded, but not because it has any salvational merit. That is simply double talk to me!
If this is the case then we must be, at least in part stating that baptism is merely symbolic of an inward work of grace. Which I find hard to substantiate in scripture. The OT was a school master to bring us to Christ, and it is filled with types and shadows, or symbolism. When the New Covenant was enacted, the types/shadows and symbolisms were fulfilled not just re-symbolized.
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So you believe in the miracle of the mass ... the wine becomes the blood and the bread his flesh ... it is not symbolic? Hello???
Using your logic ... baptism is an ancient rite that signified confession of faith ... did it change w/ the New Covenant?
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10-03-2007, 02:07 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
They believe in 3 steps ... but only a few can remotely defend it. After the pet scriptures are used up ... and the argument of obedience and faith w/o works is refuted ... they usually move on to labeling and marginalizing.
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So, you didn't repent? You didn't get baptized? You didn't recieve the HG? Whether or not you got them in this order, you still did some three steppin'!:sshhh 
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10-03-2007, 02:08 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Originally Posted by Sherri
My mom did this the "backward" way!!
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But she still did it.
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