One Less Anti-TV vote? WD Presybter leaves UPC?

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Rico

That done it!! A little leaven.......................................REPEN T, I say, REPENT!!!

I'm working on it, Rico!! I'm working on it!

I'm a slow repenter.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by OGIA

I'm working on it, Rico!! I'm working on it!

I'm a slow repenter.

I know what you need! Find ya a good old fashioned get right or get gone preacher, well versed in the art of preaching people into hell at the drop of a hat and let him know you watch TV. A service or two of being dangled over the flames of hell will send that Antiques Road Show devil packin and I mean quicklike! Ha! Can I get a witness?!?!?!

Originally Posted by OGIA

How true, but there are so many willing to take the chance. Many will see some positive results and do the old "I told you so" thing. But, I truly believe that the ones who don't go down that path will be the ones saying "I told you so" a decade from now.

Can I say a LOUD
AMEN!?!

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by OGIA

Now, if I had my druthers that 32" box would be out of here in a heartbeat!

Hmmmm . . . isn't the man supposed to be the head of the house?

Originally Posted by NobodyImportant

Can I say a LOUD
AMEN!?!

No.



~Juuuust Kidding~

Sure you can say it loud and proud.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Hmmmm . . . isn't the man supposed to be the head of the house?


No.



~Juuuust Kidding~

Sure you can say it loud and proud.

By your chaste conversation you can save the unbelieving spouse! That is not being a War Lord over the one you love!

Congratulations, Ogia, on your wisdom and patience and perseverance! You are to be applauded for not attempting to legislate your beliefs on your unbelieving spouse! As you know, my wife is not saved either. However, after 8 years of living it in front of her she is close, yea very close, to being born again and becoming a citizen of a heavenly kingdom! Keep it up and I believe God will honor his Word and allow your testimony to break down the barriers that stand between your wife and the Kingdom of God!

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by philjones

...after 8 years

8 YEARS??!!??!!





Well, I'm almost half-way there.............

Keep it up and I believe God will honor his Word and allow your testimony to break down the barriers that stand between your wife and the Kingdom of God!

Thank you, brother. I take that as a word from the Lord and agree with you!!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by OGIA

And, if it doesn't pass, you'll be ok with those who pull out because they want to advertise? You're ok with them causing some disunity?

I think that if they do not vote it in then that is promoting disunity. I think that there could be a medium ground that can be reached. i.e. my previous post about commercials. I do not think that the very cons will balk at that because they themselves could benefit from them, but not feel that they are "watering" down the doctrine, I guess you could say.

Originally Posted by OGIA

I still haven't found where the UPCI says they want to reach the lost "by any means" and/or "at any cost". To think that is safe is silly.

I was stating that from an earlier post by someone else. I do think that the lost has to be reached by any means. How can reaching the lost not be safe? Common sense would tell someone that maybe in the bar is not the best place, but outside the bar, that is a good place. Look at what Matt Maddix has done in FL. with the bootcamps. Any means. You have to be honest with yourself first. If someone has a temptation with drinking they should not witness anywhere close the bars, and so on.

Originally Posted by OGIA

The UPCI doesn't even remove those who don't abide by the manual NOW! Why do you think that will change?

I do not mean that they would remove them because of flippant things. What I am talking about is if they start preaching something out of the Bible. But, yes it would hard to regulate that but look at it this way if they were on TV doing this at least there would be video proof of preaching outside the Bible.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Thank you for your opinion, not to be rude, but you say "us" as if you belonged to the UPCI. Also, your church isn't UPCI, so how would you benifit?

I used to belong to a UPCI church and part of my family still goes to one. When I say us I mean that as the organization and how is woven into my family's lives. My current church is not UPCI you are right there.

The church I was raised in back in TN, ALJC, they have a tv program and have for 20+yrs. The church is rather large, in the 800 range, and many of those people have came in because of the TV broadcast. I feel that some if not most UPCI churches could benefit from something similar and to deny that if weird to me. I believe that the UPCI as a whole would want bigger churches full of more repentant people. Most of the churches in the UPCI are rather small and if they could get on TV either by a program or commercials then and that help drive people in wouldn' t that be worth it? If you are a pastor would you not like at least another 4-5-6-35 families in your church? I used 35 because at last count 5yrs ago that is how many came into the church in Tn since they started the TV ministry. That is not to mention the 100 or so that those 35 families, not 35 people, won after their convertion.

The numbers add up pretty good, wouldn't you say?

[warrior81680]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I used to belong to a UPCI church and part of my family still goes to one. When I say us I mean that as the organization and how is woven into my family's lives. My current church is not UPCI you are right there.

The church I was raised in back in TN, ALJC, they have a tv program and have for 20+yrs. The church is rather large, in the 800 range, and many of those people have came in because of the TV broadcast. I feel that some if not most UPCI churches could benefit from something similar and to deny that if weird to me. I believe that the UPCI as a whole would want bigger churches full of more repentant people. Most of the churches in the UPCI are rather small and if they could get on TV either by a program or commercials then and that help drive people in wouldn' t that be worth it? If you are a pastor would you not like at least another 4-5-6-35 families in your church? I used 35 because at last count 5yrs ago that is how many came into the church in Tn since they started the TV ministry. That is not to mention the 100 or so that those 35 families, not 35 people, won after their convertion.

The numbers add up pretty good, wouldn't you say?

If I'm not mistaken, I believe stmatthew mentioned he was in your old church and these numbers you are quoting he was very hard pressed to find.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by warrior81680

If I'm not mistaken, I believe St. Matt mentioned he was in your old church and these numbers you are quoting he was very hard pressed to find.

Faith is calling things that are not as though they are? We had 5000 last night at Bible study more or LESS.