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Old 08-27-2007, 11:24 AM
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I do want to chime in about this talk about the good ole boy network and sweeping things under the rug.

I do believe that has been the case regarding some prominent Pentecostal preachers sons regarding adultery BUT I do not know of a single case where child molestation was covered up and I have a hard time believing that would happen. ....
Since this has come up in this thread....

Suppose a UPC pastor (or any pastor) becomes aware of fact (not rumored, because the man and the victim told the same story to the pastor) of one of his male members sexually abusing his own step-daughter, should the pastor report this to law enforcement officials or simply counsel with the family and cover it up?
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Old 08-27-2007, 11:26 AM
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Since this has come up in this thread....

Suppose a UPC pastor (or any pastor) becomes aware of fact (not rumored, because the man and the victim told the same story to the pastor) of one of his male members sexually abusing his own step-daughter, should the pastor report this to law enforcement officials or simply counsel with the family and cover it up?
Aren't pastors mandatory reporters of child abuse?
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Old 08-27-2007, 11:30 AM
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Since this has come up in this thread....

Suppose a UPC pastor (or any pastor) becomes aware of fact (not rumored, because the man and the victim told the same story to the pastor) of one of his male members sexually abusing his own step-daughter, should the pastor report this to law enforcement officials or simply counsel with the family and cover it up?

We are required by law to report it.

I do not make exceptions on that one.
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Old 08-27-2007, 11:40 AM
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I guess I am so computer illiterate I would not have the foggiest idea on how to access porn over the internet? I have NEVER seen anything promoting it so a person evidently must search for it thus indicating a deep problem fed by what they were searching for?
Not necessarily. There are websites that might seem innocent in name only to find out they are covering for something more.......or is that the right way to word it?

For instance, there is a lady hunter website that LadyRev frequents. She once typed an S at the end of the word before the .com and got something totally different than she was expecting.

They were women hunters alright!

I once accidently happened upon a website that I thought was about the President. Wrong White House, apparently!
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Old 08-27-2007, 11:49 AM
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We are required by law to report it.

I do not make exceptions on that one.

That was my understanding. Actually I believe in some states ANY person is required to report. I also understand that UPC ministers are instructed and possibly even have seminars in regard to these issues.

Well, in the case mentioned, the UPC minister did not report it. The matter eventually is reported by someone - a few years later actually and the man is indicted, arrested and eventually enters a guilty plea and now is required to register as a sex offender. He got 3 years, but all probation. slap

When the incident happened many folks "assumed" he had had an affair and it was left at that. This family had other children, boys and girls, in the home and yet church families were not warned that if they allowed their child to go to the home even for overnight stays, that there was a sexual child molester there.

The child victim was made out as the villan.
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Old 08-27-2007, 11:52 AM
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Since this has come up in this thread....

Suppose a UPC pastor (or any pastor) becomes aware of fact (not rumored, because the man and the victim told the same story to the pastor) of one of his male members sexually abusing his own step-daughter, should the pastor report this to law enforcement officials or simply counsel with the family and cover it up?
That shouldn't even be a question. Report it.
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Old 08-27-2007, 11:53 AM
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Since this has come up in this thread....

Suppose a UPC pastor (or any pastor) becomes aware of fact (not rumored, because the man and the victim told the same story to the pastor) of one of his male members sexually abusing his own step-daughter, should the pastor report this to law enforcement officials or simply counsel with the family and cover it up?
I think the man should be encouraged to turn himself in and if he doesn't, the pastor should do it. I think repentance demands it.
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:00 PM
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:02 PM
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:03 PM
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That was my understanding. Actually I believe in some states ANY person is required to report. I also understand that UPC ministers are instructed and possibly even have seminars in regard to these issues.

Well, in the case mentioned, the UPC minister did not report it. The matter eventually is reported by someone - a few years later actually and the man is indicted, arrested and eventually enters a guilty plea and now is required to register as a sex offender. He got 3 years, but all probation. slap

When the incident happened many folks "assumed" he had had an affair and it was left at that. This family had other children, boys and girls, in the home and yet church families were not warned that if they allowed their child to go to the home even for overnight stays, that there was a sexual child molester there.

The child victim was made out as the villan.
A pastor or counselor is a mandated reporter of abuse, elder and child abuse, there has to be no proof, hearsay is alone enough for a report to be made. There is no cloak or expectation of privacy when it comes to abuse. I tell people that up front.
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