Show Me the Money

[RandyWayne]

I know the above situation is an extreme example but it does happen none the less and it makes me want to puke!

We are NOT living like old Israel and no longer have a Levite tribe to send out money too. Whether I had 8 million, 800 or 80 thousand, I would make sure the money was going to the right causes. To simply say someone else is accountable is wrong. I would rather see millions go to the Rev Grahms Christmas Box program than see one preacher buy a stretch limo no matter how deserving.

[RandyWayne]

Ok, I just posted what I thought was a very good comment on the pastor and his wife with the stretch limo.... and now it is not here.....

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Ok, I just posted what I thought was a very good comment on the pastor and his wife with the stretch limo.... and now it is not here.....

yes it be.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Bro Dan

How did you come about there was four tithes?

From what I read where tithe was given depended on what year, such as every 7th year they kept the tithe for themselves. Won't hear that preached this sunday.

There were 4 tithes Num. 18, Deut. 12 & 14, Lev. 27 PLUS OFFERINGS and TEMPLE tax.
The interesting note on the OTHER 3 tithes that was not specified to give the Levite he was included in that giving it was EXTRA above and beyond the 1st tithe whish is the Lord's.
So he got 3 bonuses besides the regular tithe.

SHOUT NOW!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

I see you have a pre-conceived notion about wealthy people and picture them sitting on their "moola"? Is there any bitterness reserved toward the rich?

no, daddi poorbux needs to do the same. You did not include a daddi poorbux in your post...perhaps I can do what you do and ASSUME the worst about you and your attitude towards the poor because of that? sigh

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There were 4 tithes Num. 18, Deut. 12 & 14, Lev. 27 PLUS OFFERINGS and TEMPLE tax.
The interesting note on the OTHER 3 tithes that was not specified to give the Levite he was included in that giving it was EXTRA above and beyond the 1st tithe whish is the Lord's.
So he got 3 bonuses besides the regular tithe.

SHOUT NOW!

If that be true, then why is it taught today only one is to be given???I think I know, but will let you answer.


Maybe another day i'll show there wasn't three or 4 tithes but the tithe was used differently depending on what year it was.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

I see you have a pre-conceived notion about wealthy people and picture them sitting on their "moola"? Is there any bitterness reserved toward the rich?

BTW you quoted me out of context, You didn't take what I said about pastors to mean I have a pre-conceived notion about pastors in a negative way...which suggests that perhaps you have a pre-conceived negative attitude about Pastors eh?

The point you conveniently missed is that your initial post suggests it was the pastors responsibility to attract a following. Au contrare my misguided friend. The responsibility is all of ours, including Daddi Warbux, not the Pastors only.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW you quoted me out of context, You didn't take what I said about pastors to mean I have a pre-conceived notion about pastors in a negative way...which suggests that perhaps you have a pre-conceived negative attitude about Pastors eh?

The point you conveniently missed is that your initial post suggests it was the pastors responsibility to attract a following. Au contrare my misguided friend. The responsibility is all of ours, including Daddi Warbux, not the Pastors only.

Second commentary suggests I struck a nerve...oops.

Your comparative analysis is flawed....had you made a comment about the pastor sitting on his "moola" or some other pre-conceived notion and had I remained silent on that, then you could make a comparison....feeble attempt....swing and miss, you're out.


On your other silly point, it doesn't matter how many visitors are brought in by Joe Preacher or the "rest of us", the facts of the scenario state that most visitors who come simply do not stick around (I'll let you decide whether the laity brought them in or Joe, it makes no difference in this scenario...it's extraneous info to the matter at hand)....game over.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by pelathais

This is a very good point. Concerning j-roc's original point, I have an anecdote:

I was standing in line at a local cafeteria one Sunday afternoon along with saints from two or three different Apostolic churches in the area. While gathering my family together at the door I saw a huge stretch limo pull up and the gull wing door unfolded revealing a Pastor of my acquaintance coming up out of the car like a tuxedoed alien emerging from a spacecraft.

The driver was busily helping the First Lady out of the other side of the limo. The Pastor and his wife then joined my wife and I (we arrived in a Ford Tempo, shiny and new!). We had lunch together at the cafeteria and probably paid less than $20 for our meals - nothing fancy. Then the limo was brought up on cue and the Pastor and First Lady were tucked carefully inside and off they went. Such a production for a lunch at a cafeteria? It was embarassing.

Long story short: He pastored a church of around 50 to 75 people. One man in that church had inherited several million dollars, of which he gave 10% to the pastor and then paid off the building. Of course, it's his money (now their money) and they can do with it as they please. But it's been really weird going to lunch with these people ever since. True story.

Meanwhile, we buried a 10 year old boy recently. The single mom was unable to work since she was constantly at the hospital with her son. My youngest went to visit them over night once and cried when I picked him up. He cried both out of relief that I was there to get him and out of the feelings of desperation for his friend's circumstances.

It would have been nice to have had a fund to pull a few hundred dollars from so that we could have helped that family more. But in most Apostolic churches that money is controlled by the pastor. Things are changing a little, but how many millionaires have we created? And, how much good could we have done with that money for the saints who were suffering?

My entire life's work sits on a busy street with high commercial real estate value. There is an entrepreneurial "pastor" and his First Lady licking their fingers right now over the prospect of taking the money and getting out of town with it. They arrived with $30,000 of debt that the church helped them with. Now, they've been kicking the stubborn old guard out and have even raided the older pastor's retirement fund.

Pentecost is a business with real cutthroat competition for the high dollar prizes that are awarded. The fault for this lies with the average Joe who doesn't ask questions because he doesn't want to rock the boat.

Wow, my hypothetical is backed up by an apparent true story.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Second commentary suggests I struck a nerve...oops.

Your comparative analysis is flawed....had you made a comment about the pastor sitting on his "moola" or some other pre-conceived notion and had I remained silent on that, then you could make a comparison....feeble attempt....swing and miss, you're out.


On your other silly point, it doesn't matter how many visitors are brought in by Joe Preacher or the "rest of us", the facts of the scenario state that most visitors who come simply do not stick around (I'll let you decide whether the laity brought them in or Joe, it makes no difference in this scenario...it's extraneous info to the matter at hand)....game over.

Nice try, but you erroneously suggested it was the Pastors job to attract a following. No amount of posturing on your part is going to cover that up. It's NOT the pastors job. It's everyones job. Therefore your error is in suggesting Daddi Warbux is paying the Pastor to attract a following when it's just as much his job as anyone elses. The Pastors job is to train them, not be charismatic and tell jokes.