Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[Praxeas]

The forbidden chokehold used by a cop to take down a Staten Island man in a deadly encounter Thursday did not damage his windpipe or neck bones, sources said.

The preliminary autopsy findings could be welcome news for Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo, now named as the cop who wrapped his arm around Eric Garner’s throat while trying to ..arrest him.
“If you’re the defense counsel in this case, this is very good news, because it’s consistent with what appears to be the case — that they didn’t mean to hurt him,” said John Jay College of Criminal Justice Professor Eugene O’Donnell.
But a source close to the Medical Examiner’s investigation said coroners are also investigating whether the chokehold still contributed to Garner’s death by aggravating his pre-existing conditions of obesity, asthma and possible heart disease. He died of cardiac arrest in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.

“If an obese person with co-existing medical problems can’t get good oxygenation to begin with, then a chokehold could put him over the edge,” and lead to a homicide finding, the source said.

http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-...amage-autopsy/

[Praxeas]

No evidence his windpipe crushed

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

Yeah, I'm really not being objective, only reading what the evidence and people who have seen the evidence say, instead of watching two guys who have absolutely nothing to do with the case.

The evidence is all which matters. You, on the other hand, continue to ignore the evidence by posting irrelevant info or accusing me of not being objective.

Of course, you have to do so because what I posted from the forensics expert and medical examiner goes against what you are trying to argue.

Being selective about WHAT evidence you read or watch is not being objective. Lying about other people is NOT being objective

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Being selective about WHAT evidence you read or watch is not being objective. Lying about other people is NOT being objective

I'm not being selective. The primary cause was compression to neck and chest. The man had hemorrhaging in his neck, eye and tongue. That's fact.

Where have I lied? You keep bringing up his preexisting conditions as though they were the primary cause. That's not true. They were underlying issues and contributed, but they were not the primary cause. Meaning even if the man was fit and in shape, the primary cause of death would have been the same.

Believe what you want, ignore the facts all you want, I'm done arguing this with you. No matter what I say, you bring up some excuse to try and counter it.

The ME and forensics expert are more reliable than the cop and some lackey from the police union.

[Praxeas]

Anyone can disagree but please don't lie about what others are actually saying

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The forbidden chokehold used by a cop to take down a Staten Island man in a deadly encounter Thursday did not damage his windpipe or neck bones, sources said.

The preliminary autopsy findings could be welcome news for Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo, now named as the cop who wrapped his arm around Eric Garner's throat while trying to ..arrest him.
"If you're the defense counsel in this case, this is very good news, because it's consistent with what appears to be the case -- that they didn't mean to hurt him," said John Jay College of Criminal Justice Professor Eugene O'Donnell.
But a source close to the Medical Examiner's investigation said coroners are also investigating whether the chokehold still contributed to Garner's death by aggravating his pre-existing conditions of obesity, asthma and possible heart disease. He died of cardiac arrest in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.

"If an obese person with co-existing medical problems can't get good oxygenation to begin with, then a chokehold could put him over the edge," and lead to a homicide finding, the source said.

http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-...amage-autopsy/

Great, no crushed windpipe. Still enough force and compression on the neck to cause hemorrhaging in his neck, eye and tongue.

I get what you're trying to do. Whatever. I post ME statements and autopsy findings and you try to discount it by posting something which may contradict it.

I'm done playing the game. Evidence is evidence. Facts are stubborn things. I believe the actions of a dirty cop caused the death of a man. You don't. That's fine.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Anyone can disagree but please don't lie about what others are actually saying

Again, where have I lied? Show me.

[Praxeas]

No ME or forensics expert says his windpipe was crushed. Nor do they argue his preexisting condition played a role.

Those are facts that no lie will obfuscate

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

Again, where have I lied? Show me.

Every single time you have lied I have pointed it out. At least 5-6 times now. Asking me where is just fuel to the fire. Sorry but I have lost a lot of respect for you. I'm so tired trying to get you to stop and seeing you just blow me off.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No ME or forensics expert says his windpipe was crushed. Nor do they argue his preexisting condition played a role.

Those are facts that no lie will obfuscate

I never said the ME or forensics said that, did I? Absolutely not. I had a theory, which per your source was incorrect.

I haven't seen anywhere where Dr Baden has said the preexisting conditions played any part. I did see, and even mentioned, the autopsy stated those were contributing factors. Again, that doesn't change the primary cause. Had he not had any of those, he still would have died from the primary cause.

It's why the call it the primary cause.