Yeah, well, I'm sure he's saying his name PROUDLY.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
No one is forcing anyone else to change. If you are a pastor who believes one-step or three-step or clothes-line standards or not you should be able to make the changes necessary.
There is so much propaganda out there about those who leave the Apostolic way. It is real simple. Just submit your life to Christ, get into the word, and live in the freedom of Christ.
If the gospel message was preached instead of trying to force a doctrine that is way to controversial and takes a lot of jumping through hoops to explain the UPC would grow like never before. The UPC has some of the most talented people yet has a message that leads to nothing more than a checklist.
Sorry for being so straightforward but that is how I feel.
Lets just get back to the Bible as our source for answers.
I agree the Bible is a book that is filled with "Holiness Principals" a lot of which doesn't spell out such things as "crack" wearing "thongs" with tight jeans with the clothing exposed ahem!
Enter a Holy Ghost filled anointed Pastor with teaching for our day & age.
It also says of I believe this day & age in 2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
I agree the Bible is a book that is filled with "Holiness Principals" a lot of which doesn't spell out such things as "crack" wearing "thongs" with tight jeans with the clothing exposed ahem!
Enter a Holy Ghost filled anointed Pastor with teaching for our day & age.
It also says of I believe this day & age in 2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
I don't see any Christians doing these things. Sin is sin and will always be sin. But the "holiness principals" you are talking about are fence laws and not the real law.
If a person has been regenerated by Christ and doesn't experience a change of heart then I would doubt their new birth. If all we try to do is change behavior then all we are doing is getting people cleaned up enough to send them to hell.
From what I've read you love God and His word. If we are truly looking for the old paths shouldn't we go to the Bible and not to the last few generations that preceded us? What if their standards of holiness are simply traditions of men and poor exegesis of the scriptures? Then they are laying grievous burdens upon the saints of God and adding to the word of God. Is it possible that we can have differing opinions and still be saved? Didn't Paul allude to that in Romans 14 and 1 Cor 8? and please consider your attitude toward your brethren. Why are you so willing and eager to kick them out of the fold by telling them to leave?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
I don't see any Christians doing these things. Sin is sin and will always be sin. But the "holiness principals" you are talking about are fence laws and not the real law.
If a person has been regenerated by Christ and doesn't experience a change of heart then I would doubt their new birth. If all we try to do is change behavior then all we are doing is getting people cleaned up enough to send them to hell.
People who come out of the world need teaching.
We had one sister who as sweet as she was, still needed instruction.
She wore a real nice white blouse that had long sleeves---but was almost transparent!!
Don't forget, the "flesh" doesn't like restrictions on it so a person saying they have freedom from any restrictions may just not like having a man of God tell them how to live for God!
I don't see any Christians doing these things. Sin is sin and will always be sin. But the "holiness principals" you are talking about are fence laws and not the real law.
If a person has been regenerated by Christ and doesn't experience a change of heart then I would doubt their new birth. If all we try to do is change behavior then all we are doing is getting people cleaned up enough to send them to hell.
Let me play the DA for Ron on this one, just out of curiosity. Because of culture changes, we look at the principles, and shouldn't we interpret them, and bring the timeless truths that they are into our modern context? Shouldn't we be specific, and not just leaving everything in the air? And what should we be specific about?
It really puzzles me that there is not much fear concerning "adding to the word of God."
Anthony Mangun preached a great sermon at BOTT a few years back on this very thing. He basically said we're all quick to judge someone who takes away but in fact we should be just as concerned about those who decide to add too. Both are warned against equally.
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In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity. Augustine
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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