What kind of pastor is this?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by crakjak

You by forgiving, instead of actively confronting and are also enabling. God doesn't come down physically and remove evil. He empowers those that can hear and see the evil to set in motion action that results in its removal.
We don't have to do evil, to confront evil. WE should be enabled by the Holy Spirit to set its removal into motion.

Speak clearly to everyone person caught up in this evil, and speak the truth, quit whitewashing his actions, he is wrong and he is sinning against his people and against God.

I think she already has been speaking clearly. She had to forgive for herself. That doesn't mean she just sits around singing Kumbaya.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I came back to delete all my posts can anyone tell me how? I am sorry I ever got into this discussion. I apologize.

It's about time you did get involved. I'm glad.

[n david]

Originally Posted by DanShaf

One of the major problems with internet forums is that much advice is dispensed,by those who know little

Ironic you post this, and then prove the point by posting more...

Originally Posted by DanShaf

...and folks who could be helpful are soon discouraged by those ignorantly grinding their own personal axes...Kept by the Word..Wayne,David?Maybe I do not truly know you,but do not let bitterness drive you into a Laodicean mentality.I know the danger,for I have been there.

1) I don't have an "axe to grind"

I'm an ex-UPC'er who has many family and friends still in the UPC. Unlike many on here, I don't have an issue with the org as a whole. Sure, I've had scraps with a few licensed with the org, but I'm intelligent enough to know they represent a very small minority. Also, I'm one of the very few on AFF who will defend both Pastors and the UPC.

2) You don't know me. I have no bitterness against anyone, and am curious why you would assume such. As far as a Laodicean mentality...sorry, you took a long leap off a short cliff on that, sir.

3) My posts were mostly questioning the family involved, not the Pastor. If the Pastor is truly as they claim, they've been supportive of him for 40 years; and if this isn't the first time this has happened, then why the surprise or angst? It is what it is.

4) I make no claims to know the Pastor or family involved, I simply posted on the claims made. This was posted on a public forum, and the question was asked: "What say ye?" If you don't like that people responded, then you should take it up with the one who created the thread and wrote the initial post; or you could PM Admin.

Have a good day.

[ILG]

Every time I read this thread title that song pops in my head "What king of church this is???? Apostolic church!!!!"

[n david]

Originally Posted by ILG

Every time I read this thread title that song pops in my head "What king of church this is???? Apostolic church!!!!"

I was having a great day until this...



This brings back bad memories of a guy who loved this song and would sing it over and over for 15 - 20 minutes when he led songs.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Now, here's the kicker. Do you want to know WHY she is not allowed to marry this man?

He's black. She's white.

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IF she decides to go ahead and marry the man (as the man's pastor has given his full blessing on the wedding, and has said he will marry them, even if her pastor won't) she will be ex-communicated from the church, and ANYONE who attends the wedding will also be ex-communicated from the church.

The human propensity for bigotry and ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

[Antipas]

God created people of all colors. We are all precious and beloved children in his sight.

Every great artist knows one must mix colors to create a masterpiece.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by DanShaf

One of the major problems with internet forums is that much advice is dispensed,by those who know little...and folks who could be helpful are soon discouraged by those ignorantly grinding their own personal axes...Kept by the Word..Wayne,David?Maybe I do not truly know you,but do not let bitterness drive you into a Laodicean mentality.I know the danger,for I have been there.

I'm not discouraged......nor do I have a personal axe, but I do care about others and wish to help.