What kind of pastor is this? - Page 19

crakjak · #**181** 11-19-2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

This pastor is definitely a man of the caliber of Jim Jones, as he has persuaded an entire group of people to do something he wanted them to do. Pray for him, and for the souls of those in his congregation. I know that only the Lord can intervene and change the heart of this man, before it is eternally too late.

Yes, pray for him.
But, he would not be my main concern.

Steve Epley · #**182** 11-19-2013, 08:07 AM

I came back to delete all my posts can anyone tell me how? I am sorry I ever got into this discussion. I apologize.

crakjak · #**183** 11-19-2013, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am not there so I cannot say but could it be what is seen as control in your eyes could actually be the guy really loves these folks particularly those who moved with him and really hates to lose them. I spoke to him about that during those times. That is the way it works in marriage you lose and gain. I gave him the examples of his dils.

Yes, Steve, he is a controlling "parent" who damages his children, because his grasp is selfish and abnormal. I have seen this in some of my extended family, and the children of it are damaged for life!!! It is evil and it is wrong, too easy to deflect it as "love", it is immature self love, that grasps and squeezes the life out of those it holds.

The only answer is for a strong person close to this person, to confront, lovingly but very FIRMLY, hold this person accountable. Unfortunately, the strong have departed over the last 50 years, and none remain, or it would not have continued so long.

crakjak · #**184** 11-19-2013, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Was you raised on the West Coast that is a different world from the one I was raised in. Before I get gutted for being a racist my grandfather disowned me and didn't speak to me for years because I would visit a PAW church. However interracial marriage was beyond my wildest imagination growing up. Truthfully it has taken years for me to come to grips by my culture has changed and for the better I think. I loved visiting the West Coast and seeing those multicultural churches it was so refreshing.

Yep, growing up in the south, your post is very easy for me to understand. Fortunately, my father and mother, never allowed racism in our home, and they practiced what they preached.

Still, the culture around us was pervasively racists, and hard to avoid as I grew up.

crakjak · #**185** 11-19-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DanShaf

The control issue is a part of the mental makeup of many of us that have been within those fellowship circles.I am about the same age as LF..now married,LS,I guess now married,and I had supposed that Johnny was probably pastor now..I have lost track...The only good answer in these situations,is prayer and fasting..then fasting and prayer,in the lives of all of those involved.My own pastor became angry when i would not agree that folks that left the church where he was pastor were destined to be lost...The sad part is that sometimes this actually comes to pass,because in those fellowship groups,good families were not welcome in other congregations..

The harvest of this type of "leadership" is the children and grandchildren, struggle to lead "normal" lives, they are damaged for life. Because no matter where they go or what they do, the fear of HELLFIRE, is always there. So, simply admit it, it is wrong and should be given no quarter (place).

crakjak · #**186** 11-19-2013, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Can a pastor who preaches "the truth" (Act 2:38 message and Oneness) be a false prophet?

Yep, absolutely.

Steve Epley · #**187** 11-19-2013, 08:26 AM

Prax I am told you could delete my posts? Would you be so kind as to do that? If so thanks.

DanShaf · #**188** 11-19-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Prax I am told you could delete my posts? Would you be so kind as to do that? If so thanks.

I am afraid,Pastor Epley...that this forum is a lost cause.

crakjak · #**189** 11-19-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I KNOW there is nothing I can do to change the situation. However, these dramas keep getting repeated, just the name of the person involved changes. These kind of things have been going on for YEARS in this assembly.

However, my deepest prayer, and wish is that the Lord could undertake and intervene in the heart of this pastor, by which so many hurting people and situations could be healed.

It will change, unfortunately it almost always requires a number of funerals. In other words generational change, as the children of this control seldom can control like the parent, and things fall apart with the dying and the wounded scattered here and yon!!

crakjak · #**190** 11-19-2013, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Prax I am told you could delete my posts? Would you be so kind as to do that? If so thanks.

I believe your posts are very helpful, Steve, please don't be afraid to expose your heart. I believe your heart is good, and that your insight is invaluable.
Your words are helpful in ways that no one else's could be.