Kind of like - - just because they make it in your size doesn't mean you should wear it?
Exactly!
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oh, by the way, great dialoge. We need to discuss some things out in the open. I don't mean to be ugly, but there is alot of problems for African Americans, but at the same time, when I see (the latest) a commercial for a show called "what is is to be black in America", I cringe and roll my eyes. What if we had a programe on tv about "What's it's like to be white in America."? Oh, that would go over real great..yeah.
And cnesttx, I believe that.It is sad. It does still happen today. Are they older women? The older generation still had ideals and patterns ingrained into them. It goes both sides though too.
We are pretty much the same age, but their *station* in life, for want of a better word, I guess sets their view of the world. This is how they view black women as *girls*, not an equal in any way. They gave absolutely no thought I guess, to how dehumanizing or humiliating it was to speak that word to them. I think more especially since I was walking with them and I am white. It really opened my eyes to the racism that still lives in some people's minds and hearts. I did lose any respect I may have had of them.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Kind of like - - just because they make it in your size doesn't mean you should wear it?
And EVERYONE said..........AMEN!
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Hmmm. Maybe you need to have this conversation with someone else, because I am VERY rigid about this sort of thing.
In my opinion:
1. From a patriotic standpoint, she missed the mark.
2. From a standpoint of etiquette, she missed the mark.
3. From one singer to another, she missed the mark.
I agree with you MssB... on all three points.
As someone who has sang the Anthem at our Republican convention... I couldn't have imagined disrespecting those who gave me the opportunity and honor of singing in the first place.
Interesting thread. Somebody suggested perspective from some black folk...so here goes....
I honestly find some of the historic symbols of patriotism a little ironic at best and somewhat disingenuous at worst. Can you imagine hearing some of the beautiful lyrics about freedom and liberty and God-given rights while at the same time recognizing that this was penned, quoted, and sang at a time when slavery was embraced based on color.
"O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave" just seems ironic. I'm not even sure how one could say "With liberty and justice for all" with a straight face given the reality of the time.
Without question there were also evil Africans who participated in the slave trade. I guess one of the differences for me is that they were not claiming to be a "Christian" nation with Christ-like ideals. They were not saying and writing the same kinds of things about about "all men being created equal" and certain Jehovah God-given rights. They were not claiming to be people of prayer and people who knew God.
I don't believe the lady meant to be disrespectful, but she may have been misguided in her efforts. It just seems to me that the races hold the traditional symbols at different levels of sacredness.
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Interesting thread. Somebody suggested perspective from some black folk...so here goes....
I honestly find some of the historic symbols of patriotism a little ironic at best and somewhat disingenuous at worst. Can you imagine hearing some of the beautiful lyrics about freedom and liberty and God-given rights while at the same time recognizing that this was penned, quoted, and sang at a time when slavery was embraced based on color.
"O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave" just seems ironic. I'm not even sure how one could say "With liberty and justice for all" with a straight face given the reality of the time.
Without question there were also evil Africans who participated in the slave trade. I guess one of the differences for me is that they were not claiming to be a "Christian" nation with Christ-like ideals. They were not saying and writing the same kinds of things about about "all men being created equal" and certain Jehovah God-given rights. They were not claiming to be people of prayer and people who knew God.
I don't believe the lady meant to be disrespectful, but she may have been misguided in her efforts. It just seems to me that the races hold the traditional symbols at different levels of sacredness.
Thank you, TS ... You've articulated this better than I have.
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