David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decision

[Stephanas]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

BTW, the general board decided to raise the General Conference registration fee from $25 to $50 this year.

That's still only pocket change for conference goers.

Anybody who doesn't like it can put $50 less in the offerings, and anybody who's not planning to put at least $50 in the collection barrels should stay home.

People who like to complain will always find a cause for whining.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by TrueNorth

Life is funny - I've worked some with that department and such was never the case.

What was funny ... the offering or that depts. are asked to cut their budgets by those who receive sizeable offerings from them to speak at their own function.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Let me explain.

Let's say...

1. A minister is employed by Headquarters to head up a division, or assist a dept head on a salaried basis.

2. That minister receives a housing allowance, unbelievable retirement package and excellent salary with health benefits.

3. That minister goes to such and such district event or local church and expects to be paid handsomely for speaking. He expects this BECAUSE of the position he holds.
.

I see nothing wrong with this at all.
I think HQ should be a jet to fly Bro. Haney around.
I think we should be honoring men with GOOD offerings.

Well known Charasmatic preachers preach a revival and make $10,000...some double that...plus they have a church salary and money coming in from TV ministries.

The offerings being given in Apostolic Churches are NO WHERE near those numbers...

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by TrueNorth

Dan
I know that facts aren't important to you - but before you open your mouth you should at least try to check them.
HMD subsidizes SEM to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars a year. If they didn't it would have went belly up.
Sounds like you have had a good swig of somebodies KoolAid.

not true!!!!
The TRUTH is that the offerings raised at Spanish Conference helps fund Filipino Ministries and others as well...

The reason some Spanish Churches do not give is because their money will not go 100% to Spanish Ministries...
HM can disperse the money as it deems fit....If 100,000 is raised at Spanish Conference, but the Ethiopian ministries needs 10,000, then guess where they get the money? Yea, from the Hispanos.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Do you?

And, don't we all have agendas?

TrueNorth, I think your rose colored glasses are a little too dingy.

I am not disagreeing with the need for a new Spanish division. I never have. But just three months ago this same board agreed that we were bleeding money in Spanish lit that no one wanted to purchase. Now, all of a sudden, we need a new Spanish Division?

Does the left hand even know what the right is doing up there?

Get it together man.

Did they also tell you that the UPCI NEVER tried selling the literature to Central and South America??? That's where it would've really sold...

You had Churches here in the US that had to translate or use other material for over 20 years and then all of a sudden the UPC wanted people to change what they had been doing.....not that easy.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

I see nothing wrong with this at all.
I think HQ should be a jet to fly Bro. Haney around.
I think we should be honoring men with GOOD offerings.

Well known Charasmatic preachers preach a revival and make $10,000...some double that...plus they have a church salary and money coming in from TV ministries.

The offerings being given in Apostolic Churches are NO WHERE near those numbers...

This is true of course, but we really don't want to compare ourselves to these "well known Charismatic" types do we?

Organizations are businesses and should make decisions based on sound practices... and I am not saying the UPCI does not - but it is especially true if the organization is claiming to spred the gospel.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

TN, seems to have some inside info that the bill will be placed in the hands of Spanish churches .... as if other divisions are structured and funded in this manner.

What say ye, CP? You and I have been around this all our lives .... we know that the stakes are high. I sure hope the GB does too.

The split would come from very good and loyal men ... that would be sad.

I have heard the same at TN.
Spanish would have to fund their own division....but it has yet to be determined how We might just get a national offering drive like SFC...

IMO, I don't think the Spanish Pastors are going to want this. I know A LOT of Pastors that are tired of 'daughter church' mentality. That want to be recognized as Pastors, at the same level as English Pastors.

We are at a point where we don't want to be funded by the English Churches, we want to fund ourselves.

Is the money there without a National Offering Drive? I'm not sure...then again, at this point, we're not paying for an Executive's salary, because no one wants to give up their Church....
We also have yet to see what Spanish Ministries can really do, because some have not wanted to give to their full potential because they know their money does not go 100% to Spanish Ministries even though it's raised at a Spanish event. My Father's Church gave the #1 offering to Spanish Ministries for 9 years straight....until we found out that the money that was supposed to be designated for Spanish was also funding Filipino and Asisian and other ministries...which would be fine but by having to share the money with other ministries like that, Spanish always looked like it had a deficit.

IF the UPC blocks this....
There is not an imminant threat of some big pull-out or division, but through time I believe another organization or two would be formed.
It has already happened, there's an Org based out of New York, that's Supt was a UPC minister.
There's a few in Texas. One started by the former Texas Dist Spanish Director.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

That's still only pocket change for conference goers.

Anybody who doesn't like it can put $50 less in the offerings, and anybody who's not planning to put at least $50 in the collection barrels should stay home.

People who like to complain will always find a cause for whining.

I know alot of pastor and preachers that might would go to conf and $50.00 is not pocket change to them. I know to me when I go to GC that is two day allotment for food. Not every pastor is rich, many live on a tight budget and work secular job to make end meet. But I guess one is not important unless they pastor 500 or more.

[TrueNorth]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

not true!!!!
The TRUTH is that the offerings raised at Spanish Conference helps fund Filipino Ministries and others as well...

The reason some Spanish Churches do not give is because their money will not go 100% to Spanish Ministries...
HM can disperse the money as it deems fit....If 100,000 is raised at Spanish Conference, but the Ethiopian ministries needs 10,000, then guess where they get the money? Yea, from the Hispanos.

Bro.
I always stand to be corrected - but you will have to do better than that. If SM spends 70k while bringing in 30k is it being subsidized?

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

I see nothing wrong with this at all.
I think HQ should be a jet to fly Bro. Haney around.
I think we should be honoring men with GOOD offerings.

Well known Charasmatic preachers preach a revival and make $10,000...some double that...plus they have a church salary and money coming in from TV ministries.

The offerings being given in Apostolic Churches are NO WHERE near those numbers...

And just who is going to buy this jet?

Haney can travel just like the rest of us,.

Oh I forgot some one said that he's the pope isn't he?