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Old 02-29-2008, 08:03 PM
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David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decision

Dear Ministers of the South Texas District:

You will soon receive a 12-minute message on CD from me. As district superintendent, I want to share some thoughts briefly with you about where we are as a district. I thought it best to send this message now by mail, since we scheduled prayer conferences instead of our typical sectional conferences this year and since our district conference does not meet until June. The message also reflects the sentiments of our District Board as expressed in our meeting at the beginning of February.


In this email I want to give you a report on the recent meeting of the General Board. We discussed many items of business, but I would like to mention the three of greatest significance.



1. Belonging to Two Organizations. The UPCI Manual says on p. 46: “No minister shall be permitted to hold license or ordination with any other religious organization or association.” The legal counsel for the UPCI wrote an opinion stating that the General Board is the proper body to determine when this provision applies, and he identified some concerns that need to be considered in this regard. Consequently, the General Board decided that this provision applies to organizations that meet certain criteria such as requiring payment of ministerial dues, requiring subscription to Articles of Faith, and conducting operations that are parallel to the UPCI, even if an organization doesn’t use the precise language of issuing “license.” Specifically, the General Board concluded that it is not proper for someone to be a voting, dues-paying minister of the UPCI and also a voting, dues-paying minister of the new organization called Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship that was recently created at a conference in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Holding such dual ministerial membership could lead to conflicts of interests, since ministers could vote on parallel offices in two different organizations, would be subject to two different Articles of Faith, would be subject to two different procedures for ministerial discipline, and so on. Moreover, some confusion has already been created on the foreign missions field because of WPF leaders contacting and visiting national UPC ministers. The General Board also noted that each District Board has the responsibility and privilege to implement this provision of the Manual according to the circumstances and timing appropriate to each local situation. The Board’s decision was made after much prayer and discussion and with overwhelming consensus.



This ruling does not mean that members of the WPF are “under question,” and therefore it does not prohibit fellowship between members of the two groups. Of course, all of us should continue to follow ministerial ethics and UPCI guidelines in this regard. The Board recognized that a number of good men have chosen to become part of the new group, and there is no desire to disparage them.


In light of this ruling, as district superintendent I appeal to you as follows. (1) If any are considering the possibility of officially joining the WPF, I urge you not to do so. If you wish to have fellowship with WPF ministers or attend WPF-sponsored events, you can do so without becoming a dues-paying member. (2) If any have officially joined the WPF, I urge you not to continue paying dues and not to renew membership after the initial period. (3) If you have any questions or concerns, I urge you to discuss them with your presbyter or with me as district superintendent. Through good communication, I believe we can resolve any difficulties or problems.



Many are curious to know how many ministers have left the UPCI over Resolution 4 (concerning TV advertising) or the WPF. Our general secretary, Jerry Jones, reports that to date 67 ministers have withdrawn or been dropped for nonpayment of dues because of this situation. Of these, 49 are pastors. He explains that this number will increase somewhat because there is still a grace period for those who have dropped for nonpayment of dues, and his office is still waiting to get clarification on some cases. Based on the reported number of cases still being processed, it appears to me that these numbers could double. A number of ministers listed on the WPF General Council have stated that they do not intend to leave the UPCI, and some ministers who have left the UPCI have stated that they do not intend to join the WPF. In our district, I know of one minister who is dropping his license because of this situation. In addition, one minister has dropped for failure to sign the affirmation statement, due to a change of doctrinal views.



2. Spanish Ministry Division. Since Spanish Ministry has grown to about 500 churches and daughter works in the U.S. and Canada, the Planning Committee of the General Board presented a proposal for the formation of a Spanish Ministry Division. After some discussion of finances and operations, the General Board asked for a committee to work on this plan and establish criteria and benchmarks for the development of such a division. It would function on a national level much as the South Texas Spanish Ministry Department currently functions in our district. The proposal will come back to the General Board at its next meeting for further review and consideration. Ultimately, it would need to go to the General Conference for approval. In the meantime, I urge our ministers, especially the pastors of Spanish-speaking churches, to give strong support to the national Spanish Ministry so that we can continue to make progress in this area.



3. The UPCI Position on Holiness and Separation from the World. The General Board had an extended discussion of the importance of maintaining our identity as a holiness movement and upholding our positions in this area as stated in the Articles of Faith. There was a consensus that we need to reaffirm these teachings, and the general superintendent will write a letter to our constituency to express our commitment to them. At the same time, the General Board concluded that it is not enough simply to reaffirm our position, but we must implement practical ways to teach biblical holiness. To accomplish this goal, various means will be employed, including publications, General Conference, Global Impact, and other methods. On a related note, the General Youth Division presented some exciting plans for Youth Congress in 2009 that will incorporate this goal in a positive way while avoiding some problems and concerns that have occurred in the past. The General Youth Division will also develop platform guidelines for Youth Congress and Bible Quizzing participants.



In summary, there was a great spirit of unity and consensus in the General Board meeting. There was a strong commitment to our Apostolic identity and an equally strong commitment to move forward with Global Impact, with the goal of doubling over the next ten years.



Sincerely in Christ Jesus,

David K. Bernard, Superintendent

South Texas District
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Old 02-29-2008, 08:10 PM
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So, it seems we are going to hear an "all holiness, all the time" message?
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Old 02-29-2008, 08:12 PM
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WOW light years better than the last DB letter published here!!!!

Starting to sound like his old self.

Should set aside a lot of fears about WPFers being "under question", and gave some very valid reasons for not being able to support dual memberships.
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Old 02-29-2008, 08:36 PM
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3. The UPCI Position on Holiness and Separation from the World. The General Board had an extended discussion of the importance of maintaining our identity as a holiness movement and upholding our positions in this area as stated in the Articles of Faith. There was a consensus that we need to reaffirm these teachings, and the general superintendent will write a letter to our constituency to express our commitment to them. At the same time, the General Board concluded that it is not enough simply to reaffirm our position, but we must implement practical ways to teach biblical holiness. To accomplish this goal, various means will be employed, including publications, General Conference, Global Impact, and other methods. On a related note, the General Youth Division presented some exciting plans for Youth Congress in 2009 that will incorporate this goal in a positive way while avoiding some problems and concerns that have occurred in the past. The General Youth Division will also develop platform guidelines for Youth Congress and Bible Quizzing participants.

In summary, there was a great spirit of unity and consensus in the General Board meeting. There was a strong commitment to our Apostolic identity and an equally strong commitment to move forward with Global Impact, with the goal of doubling over the next ten years.
Sounds like a death march to me... First they lose the Conservatives and now they want to alienate the Liberals?

The UPC will not be stronger by trying to prove to the Conservatives that the UPC can keep a dress standard from 50 years ago. Competitive holiness isn't going to do anyone good. There are too many other choices out there now and too much internet access not to know it.

Instead, let the individual churches seek God about the matter. Let's teach about the fruit of the Spirit, loving our neighbors, and fleeing pornography, fornication and adultery.

Let's teach where the rubber meets the road in the 21st century fully realizing that technology is here to stay. We aren't in Kansas anymore.
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Old 02-29-2008, 08:38 PM
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Sounds like a death march to me... First they lose the Conservatives and now they want to alienate the Liberals?

The UPC will not be stronger by trying to prove to the Conservatives that the UPC can keep a dress standard from 50 years ago. Competitive holiness isn't going to do anyone good. There are too many other choices out there now and too much internet access not to know it.

Instead, let the individual churches seek God about the matter. Let's teach about the fruit of the Spirit, loving our neighbors, and fleeing pornography, fornication and adultery.

Let's teach where the rubber meets the road in the 21st century fully realizing that technology is here to stay. We aren't in Kansas anymore.
As always, good post, Newman.
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Old 02-29-2008, 08:53 PM
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Sounds like a death march to me... First they lose the Conservatives and now they want to alienate the Liberals?

The UPC will not be stronger by trying to prove to the Conservatives that the UPC can keep a dress standard from 50 years ago. Competitive holiness isn't going to do anyone good. There are too many other choices out there now and too much internet access not to know it.

Instead, let the individual churches seek God about the matter. Let's teach about the fruit of the Spirit, loving our neighbors, and fleeing pornography, fornication and adultery.

Let's teach where the rubber meets the road in the 21st century fully realizing that technology is here to stay. We aren't in Kansas anymore.
B-5. Bingo for Newman! Good post!
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Re: David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decis

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Sounds like a death march to me... First they lose the Conservatives and now they want to alienate the Liberals?

The UPC will not be stronger by trying to prove to the Conservatives that the UPC can keep a dress standard from 50 years ago. Competitive holiness isn't going to do anyone good. There are too many other choices out there now and too much internet access not to know it.

Instead, let the individual churches seek God about the matter. Let's teach about the fruit of the Spirit, loving our neighbors, and fleeing pornography, fornication and adultery.

Let's teach where the rubber meets the road in the 21st century fully realizing that technology is here to stay. We aren't in Kansas anymore.
Personally don't think its meant to do anything more than appease the conservative faction either still within the UPCI and/or those with dual membership which will be faced with a choice.

By stating such an affirmative action they hope to negate the charge made by the WPF (and THEIR sole excuse for formation), namely the UPCI is "soft" on holiness. Fortunately, there was absolutely NO mention of standards. No Christian should oppose true holiness being taught.

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Sounds like a death march to me... First they lose the Conservatives and now they want to alienate the Liberals?

The UPC will not be stronger by trying to prove to the Conservatives that the UPC can keep a dress standard from 50 years ago. Competitive holiness isn't going to do anyone good. There are too many other choices out there now and too much internet access not to know it.

Instead, let the individual churches seek God about the matter. Let's teach about the fruit of the Spirit, loving our neighbors, and fleeing pornography, fornication and adultery.

Let's teach where the rubber meets the road in the 21st century fully realizing that technology is here to stay. We aren't in Kansas anymore.
Good post Newman!
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Personally don't think its meant to do anything more than appease the conservative faction either still within the UPCI and/or those with dual membership which will be faced with a choice.

By stating such an affirmative action they hope to negate the charge made by the WPF (and THEIR sole excuse for formation), namely the UPCI is "soft" on holiness. Fortunately, there was absolutely NO mention of standards. No Christian should oppose true holiness being taught.

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Bro. James, this is a great point!
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Sounds like a death march to me... First they lose the Conservatives and now they want to alienate the Liberals?

The UPC will not be stronger by trying to prove to the Conservatives that the UPC can keep a dress standard from 50 years ago. Competitive holiness isn't going to do anyone good. There are too many other choices out there now and too much internet access not to know it.

Instead, let the individual churches seek God about the matter. Let's teach about the fruit of the Spirit, loving our neighbors, and fleeing pornography, fornication and adultery.

Let's teach where the rubber meets the road in the 21st century fully realizing that technology is here to stay. We aren't in Kansas anymore.
so it took a letter from one of the big guns to bring Newman out of hiding!

I got about halfway thru that point and was wondering what you guys would say.

thanks for not dissapointing.
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